《賴清德就職周年首拋「重要國安簡報」！ 向藍白遞橄欖枝？》【2025.05.20『新聞面對面』】

《賴清德就職周年首拋「重要國安簡報」！ 向藍白遞橄欖枝？》【2025.05.20『新聞面對面』】

Let me start by introducing the special guests we invited today. The first one on the left is Taipei City Councilor Hong Jianyiwu. Hello, Taipei City Councilor Miao Boya. Hello , former Central Committee member of the People’s Democratic Party Zhang Yishanwu. Hello, everyone. On the right is Taipei City Councilor Zhan Weiyuan. Hello, everyone, senior media person Shang Yifu. Hello, everyone. Next is 3Q brother Chen Po-wei, honorary consultant of the Legislative Yuan, whose hair is still there. He is still there for 3 or 4 weeks. Hello , everyone. He is really still there. Hurry up and get a haircut. When will it be over? Do you think it takes 40 days for review and 10 days for supplementary documents ? So you will keep it for so long. You have to pass it before you can get it. This free business matching does not exist in any constituency in Taiwan. Seeing my hair means that the petition has not been successful . Seeing my hair means that the petition has not been successful. Hurry up and ask your friends to sign it. Go and sign… OK Well, why is Chen Po-wei’s hair still there? I just talked about that part. This is also what we will talk about in the next few days . Everyone thinks that there is only one district left to recall the KMT committee members , which is Lin Pei-hsiang’s district in Keelung. But why did 12 strike groups hold a press conference yesterday, or even many strike groups went to Keelung. In addition to helping Keelung to collect signatures, the other 12 districts also felt that their so-called signatures had not reached the safe number. OK , we are still conducting some related signatures . What will happen in the end? Let’s see the final decision of the Election Commission, including the two districts where the KMT wants to recall the DPP committee members. Will they really pass? Today is 520, the first anniversary of President Lai Ching-te’s inauguration . During this process, of course, everyone will watch what kind of speech the president gave on the anniversary of his inauguration , including between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait, the international community , and even the country. What will happen to this big recall now ? But it is very sad because yesterday, around the time when we got off work yesterday, I think the audience friends have seen some related news because there was a very serious fatal car accident in Sanxia, ​​with about 3 deaths and more than 10 injuries. You can imagine that it is during the time of going to and from work, especially after work and school, when a sudden accident happened . My mother was supposed to pick up her mother. Some children should go home after school but they can never get home. You can imagine what happened at that moment. But today , of course, you saw President Lai Ching-te express his condolences at the first opportunity, including before he gave a speech today. He also made some condolences for yesterday’s Three Gorges incident. But of course , the family members have directly petitioned, including whether people over 70 years old should not drive. Of course, this requires some discussion. But if you really look at the pictures of many cars today, including the car in front, which backed up and hit the car behind about 1 minute before the accident. If you see those, no matter what, to be honest, the occurrence of the car accident was terrifying for all the children and all the people at the scene. Especially in the speech on the first anniversary of May 20, President Lai Ching-te first mourned the deceased and the injured with the family members, hoping that they could return safely and recover. In addition, the family members actually proposed that people over 70 years old should be prohibited from driving. Of course, Taiwan’s current regulations are different from those of other countries. Taiwan’s current regulations require that people over 75 years old must re-examine and renew their licenses . The age limit stipulated in Japan is lower than that in other countries , especially in Hong Kong , where drivers must renew their licenses at the age of 60. To be honest, when I took the driving test at the age of 50, I was not as fast or easy as this young man when he took the test at the age of 20. It took me three times to pass. So people ‘s reaction speed will not be as sharp as before when they get older, so why do we have to retake the test? The definition is here, so why do family members request that people over 70 years old are not allowed to drive ? But if there is a license renewal regulation, should the Ministry of Transportation start to study whether to extend this license renewal regulation to the so-called Singapore regulation or Hong Kong , or even that licenses must be renewed at the age of 60 ? The license renewal regulation cannot be too casual, such as “raise your hand to know fruits” ? Can we use a stricter approach like Japan to examine whether all elderly people are suitable for driving ? Because we all know that this is not only to protect the safety of pedestrians on the road, but also to protect the safety of all elderly people. If you are no longer able to drive , you should avoid driving. This is why President Lai Ching-te reminded me of this matter as the first thing today , and after reminding me of this matter, I also hope that the relevant departments of the Ministry of Transportation will pay attention to the so-called elderly driving. This matter needs to be re-drafted and strictly enforced. Although Taiwan has a license renewal system , there are still 65,000 people who have not renewed their licenses. Moreover, this new regulation was introduced in 2017. Before 2017, people aged 75 and above do not need to renew their licenses. They are all 83 years old this year. Therefore, there are 200,000 people in Taiwan who are over 83 years old and have a driver’s license and can drive. This is also an unsafe thing for these elderly people, not to mention pedestrians on the road , which can also lead to related unfortunate incidents such as the Sanxia incident yesterday . Therefore, this matter deserves the Ministry of Transportation to study a good plan . Looking back at all the national security talks that President Lai Qingde said today, he divided the 520 related talks into three parts . The first part is Yishan. Wait a minute, Yishan will analyze it . Next, let the audience take a look at what President Lai Qingde said , because including some of the content released by President Lai, including Chu Lilun and Chairman Huang Kuo-chang , they all made some related responses first, let the audience take a look first. Okay, Yishan is about the so-called 520 talk by Lai Qingde today , which is divided into three parts. The first part is in the economic and diplomatic part. He still proposed a very important concept. It is called a sovereign fund . In the face of the United States’ current desire for Taiwan to invest heavily in the United States , the establishment of a sovereign fund is actually very helpful. The establishment of a sovereign fund is not decided by the Executive Yuan. In the future, relevant laws will be sent to the Legislative Yuan for review. So we have talked about the so-called Alaska natural gas before , or Nvidia’s AI to lead all Taiwanese manufacturers to establish the so-called AI headquarters in the United States, and the AI ​​industrial park. Are these things first led by the government’s sovereign fund and then followed by Taiwan’s industry? This is a so-called niche for the so-called expansion of investment in the United States and the so-called tariff negotiations with the United States . Regarding cross-strait relations , he did not mention China at all in his 520 speech today. When the reporter asked questions, he also reiterated the so-called four pillars he mentioned before during the election. The four pillars are diplomacy, defense , economy and the so-called cross-strait dialogue . Therefore, he did not have any special talks between the two sides of the strait to try to cool down the growing hostility between the two sides . Instead, he talked about the internal part of the negotiation between the government and the opposition. The first thing he talked about was the so-called past opposition party constantly He was said to be a green communist dictator or Hitler, and even Hitler caused international disputes . He said that democracy is an important value and an important asset of Taiwan. Taiwan was once the country with the longest martial law . Many predecessors worked hard to fight for democracy. No Taiwanese will give up such a democratic life , and no leader or president will deviate from democracy and freedom. So he refuted all the criticisms of him as a dictator , Hitler, or green communist. Regarding the recall, he proposed that democratic disputes should be resolved with greater democracy, and democracy is not a mobilization of hatred. We also hope that whether it is the blue recalling the green or the green recalling the blue civic groups to recall the blue committee members , in the future, they can use rational reasoning to get everyone to vote for the recall instead of using the so-called mobilization of hatred. Regarding the dialogue between the government and the opposition , he actually mentioned the most important concept called the important national security briefing. In fact, he still maintains the power granted to the president in the constitutional system, which is called the National Security Council. Regarding the disputes between the executive and legislative houses, the dialogue between the executive and legislative houses still returns to the constitutional dialogue between the executive and legislative houses. However, the chairmen of the ruling and opposition parties want to come to talk to me, the president , so I opened a meeting called the important national security briefing to talk to the chairmen of the ruling and opposition parties. Dialogue is a way that complies with the constitutional system. Huang Kuo-chang and Zhu Lilun also responded with a certain degree of goodwill today. Of course, Huang Kuo-chang said that if the two are gone, there will be no premise framework and no preset position . In fact, there must be a premise framework and position. After all , the president is a position stipulated in the constitution . He must follow the constitutional form. Therefore, anything without a preset position or without any framework is impossible. In addition, Zhu Lilun was still patting Lai Ching-te yesterday . Lai Ching-te’s 519 anniversary is finally here today. We should really pat Lai Ching-te and stop honking. Isn’t it better to directly propose a recall? In fact, he did not propose a recall today . He also responded with goodwill to the so-called important national security briefing. He even said that it should be regularized and institutionalized to turn it into a political party’s national security briefing and fully institutionalize it. This is also a goodwill response. Zhu Lilun said that he had been waiting for a call for more than a year . I said, seriously, you finally got the call today, but remember to give the phone to 3Q because you said that the recall was not a democratic action . 3Q was very upset because when you went to recall 3Q, you said that this was a victory for democracy. Don’t do this. Now we know that 3Q is also an Olympic gold medalist because Zhang Shanzheng said it was like a metaphor to get rid of the Olympic gold medal. Now I know that you are also an Olympic gold medalist. So Zhu Lilun is waiting for Lai Qingde’s call, and 3Q is also waiting for Zhu Lilun’s call. So remember to give 3Q a call from Zhu Lilun. In addition, let’s talk about how Lai Qingde performed in the past year . The foundation also released a poll today. Some 45.7% agree with Lai Qingde, and 37.4% disagree. For a person who only uses more than 40% of the votes, Being elected president is not an easy thing. Why is it that when you compare it with Tsai Ing-wen, you will know that the honeymoon period is usually half a year. When you look at Tsai Ing-wen when she was just elected in 2016, after the half-year death cross, her disapproval rating is higher than her approval rating. This is Tsai Ing-wen . Above is Lai Ching-te. He was almost in a death cross in November during the half-year honeymoon period , but then he continued to climb up. To this day, his so-called approval rating is still higher than his disapproval rating. For Lai Ching-te, this poll today represents that the public opinion is quite satisfied with Lai Ching-te’s administration. OK You just saw President Lai Ching-te speaking at a press conference about his first anniversary in office and delivering some related speeches. You also heard some direct responses from Chairman Chu Li-lun and Chairman Huang Kuo-chang. If we really want to talk about it, let’s simplify it. It’s very simple. In fact, this part includes the national security briefing. There are probably no opinions on the national security briefing because if you are the president, you release the national security briefing so that the leaders of the opposition party can all know the important and related things together . If you are the chairman of the opposition party Would you object? You definitely wouldn’t. You would know more . But this part, Chu Li-lun also talked about it directly. It includes party-to-party communication . Huang Kuo-chang also talked about some party-to-party communication . But the focus is not just on this part. This part is the least controversial part. What about the others? President Lai directly said that democratic disputes must be resolved with greater democracy. We are always willing to open our hands and work hard to promote dialogue between the government and the opposition and strengthen cooperation between political parties. Just this part, plus this part, President Lai also said that no president can deviate from the values ​​of democracy and freedom. Taiwan’s democracy has never been mobilized by hatred, but by citizen participation. Gathered together, such a speech was described by the media as releasing goodwill to some extent . But you also heard Chairman Zhu Lilun’s direct reply just now. Did you hear it? Including waiting for the phone call… There is also a sentence in it, don’t tell lies with your eyes open. Just by hearing this sentence, you can know what everyone is thinking, especially the current atmosphere of the recall. It has reached the second stage. The second stage has reached some places at the end. When it goes down to the third stage, imagine that the atmosphere in the country is good. I will directly ask Lai Weiyuan , did you hear President Lai say that he never relied on hatred to mobilize , but to use greater democracy to solve these problems? Chairman Zhu Lilun directly replied, don’t tell lies with your eyes open. There are many similarities. President Lai hopes to promote such dialogue between the government and the opposition. Is it possible ? Because President Lai Ching-te said that we should use greater democracy to resolve the current disputes. What does greater democracy mean? It means that you use democratic means. So the implication behind this is probably that the recall will continue because they are all democratic means, such as elections, recalls, and referendums. Of course, you go back to Chu Li-lun because President Lai said that he would invite the national security team to do the national security briefing. Of course, whether it is Chu Li-lun or Chairman Huang Kuo-chang , they all think that it is hoped that at least the leaders of the major political parties will be the leaders of the major political parties because President Lai Ching-te is now the chairman of the Democratic Progressive Party. The leaders of the political parties can sit on the national issues. Let’s have a good exchange . But Lai Qingde proposed the national security briefing and of course who is active and who is passive. I think it’s okay. But since President Lai Qingde has proposed such an olive branch, we think that you are the host now . After extending the olive branch, you can call Huang Kuo-chang and Zhu Lilun and let everyone have such a meeting together. I think it is important. But to be honest, today Lai Qingde talked about using greater democracy to solve the problem. The representative said that we have always demanded that we should not continue to promote the so-called recall. But given the current social atmosphere of the Democratic Progressive Party and the current social atmosphere, we still have to continue to push forward . To continue to push forward means that the president said that reconciliation is possible , but in fact, the people below are fighting each other, constantly opposing and confronting each other. And under the constant confrontation between the blue and green parties or between different political parties, how can you achieve a reconciliation from above ? So I think today is the speech on the first anniversary of his inauguration. Since President Lai has offered such an olive branch, let’s try it first. It doesn’t matter if you want a national security briefing. Anyway, the national security briefing is a very important matter. But after he jumped in, I think behind his back, Lai Ching-te actually made some sour remarks about the opposition party in this national security briefing. He said that it was for the benefit of this country and the security of the country , but I must tell you that the opposition party is not for the national interest, not for the country . On the land of the Republic of China, it is all for the national interest and national security. There is no problem if everyone comes together . But let’s have a good talk about the national security briefing and the current social division and social confrontation in Taiwan. Can there be a solution? Maybe we can promote a meeting after this speech, but to be honest, I think the probability of a meeting is not very high. If even Yuan is so pessimistic about the probability of a meeting, it seems that Jianyi even thinks that the probability of a meeting is not so high. From another angle, you see the opposition party , including Zhu Lilun. This is not the first time he has shouted that Do we still need a mass recall ? Do we need to continue like this? The country is so divided and torn apart like this. President Lai Ching-te, if we really want to have a face-to-face talk, honestly, does the president still need a mass recall? Second level, you said this is something from the militia. Third level , can you tell Hong Jianyi and the others not to continue the mass recall? What if Chu Li-lun really said this? In fact, no president can deviate from the values ​​of democracy and freedom. This is what President Lai Ching-te said. Of course, democratic disputes must be resolved with greater democracy. Yuan has been talking about a mass recall just now . In fact, I have always believed that today’s so-called national security briefing is to encourage all political parties to sit down and talk rationally. No one It ‘s irrational. No president is unwilling to talk to you about national security briefings. In principle, they are about domestic economic security, national defense, and other issues. Let’s sit down with everyone. But it seems that what Weiyuan just said has been referring to the so-called mass recall, hatred, and confrontation. In fact, it is a movement initiated by democratic citizens , and it is their right . The right to recall was not established when the Democratic Progressive Party was in power. It was in the early Chiang Kai-shek era. The provisions of the recall law were only constantly revised. This is the people’s law that gives the people the rights given by the constitution to the people. It is not the so-called hatred, mobilization, hatred, and confrontation. So under this premise, Huang Kuo-chang, I also know that I can now predict If he really sits down, he might say, “I found a gun.” He can really debate with Lai Ching-te, “I want to debate with you, but you don’t debate with me.” Will he ask for a live broadcast? I believe he will . It’s not that the president is unwilling to talk about being a president for a full year. He has expressed goodwill . I believe everyone is looking forward to it and there will be no so-called recall or hatred. If the president is willing , he will really invite a national security meeting or sit down for a benign communication time. Everyone can sit down and discuss it. But the premise is not to discuss this important meeting with a ridiculous attitude. My simple response is that of course President Lai said not to use this hatred to mobilize recall. The DPP said that civil groups, even citizens, are The DPP , led by Lai Ching-te, issued a document to the DPP saying that it would fully support the so-called recall. So if President Lai today chooses to respect the civil groups but our DPP does not intervene and respects the rights of their civil groups, then the DPP will have a good negotiation with the opposition party. Maybe the whole environment or the whole confrontation will not be as serious as it is now. But I think it doesn’t matter. Now that it has reached this stage , how to solve this problem is the same. Although our Chairman Zhu Lilun is a bit sour and said that he has not received any Phone call, but it doesn’t matter. President Lai called Zhu Lilun more often . They sat down and talked. I will report to Weiyuan about the first phase. Boya is also here. Everyone present knows that we did not intervene at all in the first phase because the whole social atmosphere required it. In contrast, your recall was from the beginning, wasn’t it your youth army? If we compare it from this perspective, in fact, we really were in the same constituency as Weiyuan. I didn’t even move in the first phase. It was the second phase when everyone, the citizens, became enthusiastic. As a member of the Democratic Progressive Party, my voters also include those from the Kuomintang, and my supporters also include those from the Kuomintang. They are willing to support me just because I have served before, but this In principle, I cannot mobilize these people even if I try. So this is an atmosphere of citizen rights , not something manipulated by the DPP. So in comparison, let’s not talk about the dead signatures and so on. From the very beginning, it was your youth army pretending to be a citizen group that pushed the so-called strike against the green camp. It was only later that it didn’t take shape. And we really didn’t intervene in the first stage from beginning to end. It was only in the middle of the second stage that the party central committee said we must cooperate with the citizen rights. I must make this clear. Why did the 3Q with hair say that the 3Q was an Olympic gold medal ? This was what Mayor Chang Shan-cheng said. He said that the Olympics are held every four years, but now Lai Ching-te wants to do it. Snatch the gold medal from the hands of the gold medalist. If this is the case, then there will be no need to hold the Olympics in the future. Remember, Mayor Chang Shan-cheng said directly that Lai Ching-te wants to snatch the gold medal from the hands of the gold medalist. Zhao Shao-kang said even more directly that not voting means supporting the DPP’s recall. Defeating the recall means a vote of no confidence in Lai Ching-te . Chairman Huang Kuo-chang said that the recall was clearly initiated by the DPP, but Lai Ching-te did not have the basic courage to admit it and chose to hide behind the so-called vigilante groups. 3Q President is basically the barrel hoop of the whole country. Jian-yi just said something. Last year, he just told Wei-yuan that you , the blue and white parties, made the Legislative Yuan into a mess for a president last year . Of course , he hopes that everyone in the country can support some relevant policies. However, from some things in last year’s bills to the budget and now to the recall, when President Lai Qingde said that he hopes that everyone , of course, democracy is not hatred mobilization, and he hopes that everyone can use such dialogues. However, such a dialogue happened to be delivered on the anniversary of the speech and encountered the recall. How to integrate all these atmospheres ? In addition to revealing his ignorance, Zhang Shanzheng ‘s personality of taking a sip of red wine is indeed in line with the Kuomintang’s perception of elections. When we were elected, there were no beautiful words and no predecessors to teach us. It was very natural. In front of the microphone, we said that being elected is the beginning of responsibility , not the end of the competition. When we were elected, there were no nice speeches or teachings from our predecessors . It was natural for us to say that being elected is the beginning of responsibility , not the end of the competition. So today, if an Olympic champion wins a gold medal, he has finished the competition. The next step is to receive a pension and become a national hero. The hero parade will come back and parade around the streets. That is the competition. What can happen in sports competitions is not what happens at any time. But for elections , no one tells you that the competition is over after the election. The election is when you are elected. You have four years to work hard and then Voters will have expectations of you, and will scrutinize and supervise the degree to which you fulfill your political views. This is the standard condition and mentality for elections and holding public office. But it is very obvious that to a certain extent , Zhang Shanzheng reflected that if I am elected, I will not do what you want me to do . If I am elected, I will continue to be arrogant and domineering. If I am elected, I will start to distribute the interests of local factions. Do you still remember what Lu Shiuyan said during the election process when she was elected? She ran to shake hands with Yan Qingbiao and said that we will cooperate with everything in the future. Thank you… How can a mayor cooperate with them ? What are you cooperating with ? Otherwise, cooperate with me and see if my temple will grow bigger and my money will grow more. What are you cooperating with? Tell me. So when this metaphor is inappropriate , it is called inappropriate. It just so happens that Zhu Lilun is having an affair, and Zhang Shanzheng drinks too much and doesn’t get tired. He has good physical strength and is not tired. These two people are messing around. Don’t think like this. I think a very important reason why civic politics needs to deepen and move forward is that when we discuss issues, we are really discussing issues. What is a mass recall ? Why is a mass recall described as a mobilization of hatred? What is the contrast of hatred ? Is it love? The opposite of love is not hate , but indifference. What is the opposite of hatred? Is it trust? So when I entered the Legislative Yuan, I actually had a lesson about the various groups that seemed to be on the verge of a war. When I entered, there were five parties. They actually had a lot of Basic trust. What is that trust? For example, the Legislative Committee of the Outlying Islands questioned together. Yang Yao is green, Kinmen and Matsu are blue. Why did the three of them question together? Because they have greater common needs. On issues other than nationality, they jointly questioned on transportation and medical issues. So there is a certain amount of trust accumulated between the three of them . I believe that when Miao Boya was in the Taipei City Council, there were various political groups established, including Guaji and even Xu Qiaoxin. They might support different issues. That is called the accumulation of trust. But the accumulation of trust is very slow, but it is very easy to destroy. May I ask who started the accumulation of hatred in this session ? Wasn’t it because of the Congressional Power Expansion Act? Wasn’t it Huang Kuo-chang and Fu Kun- chi who threatened Should we boycott every bill of the DPP? Isn’t it that the Speaker of the Legislative Yuan Han Guoyu joked in it, and then this one only has power over one side? A while ago, I forgot who I interviewed. Chen Qimai asked Chen Qimai, ” What do you think of the Kuomintang ‘s Lai Ching-te’s lowest poll numbers ?” He said that the facts you perceive as Ma Ying-jeou on September 2 are different from mine. He said that in the past, when Chen Shui-bian was in power , there was no major recall. Now Lai Ching-te is making a major recall. You know, Chen Qimai said that at that time, Wang Jin-pyng was more effective as the Speaker. So who was he targeting? Han Guoyu. So when this hatred began to accumulate, it was originally just a fight between politicians. Ordinary people still thought that the blue and green camps would fight. When did the change begin? Blue Bird Operation, you put Shen If Boyang fell , would people take to the streets ? Wouldn’t it be the Blue Bird Action the next day? This is the accumulation of hatred. May I ask, in this process, as civic groups, non-partisan, small parties, and supporters of the Green Camp, what did we do wrong? Who did we offend in this process? What mistakes did we make that required you to destroy us like this ? Who was the first to destroy the trust between each other ? Who was the first to turn their backs on things agreed upon in party group consultations ? Weren’t they Fu Kun-chi and Huang Kuo-chang? So today, the people have come out to exercise the recall. Frankly speaking, I still have the qualifications to say why the DPP didn’t help in the first stage. Wasn’t it your fault? Of course, this was the first time that civic groups took action. The roar of the streets. Let me put it another way. Today, politics has come to this point. Taiwan’s political situation has come to this point . It is no longer an art of how many votes you can get. It is an art of letting go. Can Zhu Lilun let go of Fu Kunqi? Can Huang Kuo- chang let go of Ke Wen-je? Can Lai Ching-te let go of the current recall situation in Taiwan? What do you want to let go of? What do you choose to let go of? If Lai Ching-te chooses to compromise with the Blue and White parties today and we recall him, and the DPP chooses to stand by and watch, then I tell you that even Lai Ching-te will be recalled. How can he let go of his basic support from the masses ? It is impossible for him to let go of something. So if they can let go of this side , they have to let go of both the Blue and White parties . He must let go of something. I’m sorry, at the beginning. It’s not that I quarreled with you , it’s that you chose to do it this way. Lai Qingde is not insincere. Do you remember the inter-agency coordination? It’s been a long time since the inter-agency coordination was held. Why should it be held? Because the Legislative Yuan and the Executive Yuan are unclear about what cases the inter-agency coordination will handle , the annual budget re-proposal, because the Executive Yuan thinks it is difficult to implement. You don’t have to delete it and then discuss it. The Kuomintang decided that I must delete and freeze it first and then discuss it . That’s their current testimony . Wouldn’t it be fine if you didn’t delete and freeze it at the beginning? No, I must delete and freeze it. So Han Kuo-yu went there to drink a cup of coffee and nothing happened . It was the same whether he went there or not. I don’t know what this president wants to do . After drinking coffee, I will hold the utmost sincerity to discuss with our party. What a mess. There is no result. So you have to know one thing during the inter-agency coordination. The Kuomintang had raised this matter at that time . That is, the words of the Blue and White parties were behind the call for Lai Qingde to stop the recall . But Lai Qingde could not talk with the premise of being willing to stop the recall because he could not let go of his basic people. The main core content of the three party chairmen’s words was like this. You see, Wei Yuan is very inside . Although Wei Yuan is still working hard as a Taipei City Councilor , there will be a day when the 2025 Songxin Legislative Yuan will have a day, but you don’t need to add a deadline for me . I accidentally set a date. Wei Yuan was very blunt when he finished talking about the president’s recall without preconditions. The first thing Wei Yuan said was , should we stop the recall action ? Should we just stand aside and watch ? Should we just watch the fire from the other side? This is what the Kuomintang is most worried about now. This is also what they are worried about. Frankly speaking, the day you chose to appoint Fu Kunqi, you knew that these things would happen. The next action is not that we will take back your gold medal. It’s because you used banned drugs and you will be disqualified from the conference. It’s because you, the cheating kid , are holding on to your gold medal. This is the legitimate metaphor . So the logic is very simple. You must always remember one thing. The job of the legislators today is Being a legislator is not being a boss or being an internet celebrity. You are a legislator and you do a good job. Frankly speaking, I still have no regrets about my recall. You should know that the local power on my side is that for the Yan family, when he was born, he sat on the hillside of Shalu, looking at the intertidal zone by the sea and said, “No, we can’t be poor anymore. I want a thermal power plant .” So the thermal power plant reclaimed land and filled up the entire intertidal zone from Wuqi to Shalu to Wuqi, and built a thermal power plant. The land price is thriving and going up. Looking back, there may be sika deer on this hillside. They ran away and opened a path to my door. Their business politics is run in this way. Over there 3 For 40 years, from the temple to the grassroots, everything has been with me. I was there for only 1 year and 10 months. We used arguments, topics, and the professional performance of the Legislative Yuan to compete with them. They beat me nationwide with only 3,000 votes. So I think that our ability to discuss civic issues and democratic politics can actually compete with the 30-year family. I don’t have a trace of regret in my heart. But the Kuomintang is now , including the one that may be discussed later, Lin Peixiang’s contempt, tolerance of violence, distortion and lies, including the People’s Party’s way of fanning the flames to play politics. Is this really a good way for Taiwan? To some extent, I think Lai Qingde wants them to look at the national security issue to make them face the problem and tell them that you haven’t discussed national security for more than a year. This is the teacher’s class, so everything starts from you. We should start with our own improvement . I think it is impossible for Lai Qingde to put down the recall. The accumulation of hatred is the beginning . If we follow what 3Q said just now, it is the Blue and White who should put down the recall. 3Q said that it is impossible for Lai Qingde to be recalled after he is released. Because many guests like Yishan often say that it is the militia that pushes the DPP forward. If you really want to do this, you will be dead. So the Blue and White can only turn back and find ways to lick their wounds and solve this problem . It is not very troublesome. It is the so-called accumulation of hatred. What 3Q just said is that we, the Blue and White , are so-called random budget cuts in the Legislative Yuan . But when we come back to our own supporters, we think that we are supervising the government and supervising the budget reasonably . You will also find that whether it is Lai Qingde this time, his overall satisfaction is probably about 40% to 45% after deducting their own polls of the DPP. It’s not low , that is, their base is there. So the problem is that people who oppose the recall and don’t like the recall are actually in the majority. So if everyone goes back and says, “Yes, I have to be responsible to my own voters and I have to be responsible to my base,” unfortunately, there will be no room for dialogue because we can only let the voters decide through the recall or the next election. In this way, there is no need for the leaders to talk to each other because I am responsible to my voters and I just need to consolidate my base. In this way, objectively speaking , my base has been consolidated, but for the whole society , especially some middle -class voters, perhaps they don’t want to see such a chaotic society . 3Q Simple answer I think this is the KMT. A small clue that they misjudged the situation. They always thought that it was the DPP that pushed for the recall. The people they wanted to talk to were actually civic groups. Yan Kuanheng was going to talk to his cousin. Luo Tingwei was going to talk to the leader. Xu Qiaoxin was going to talk to Cao Xingcheng. Don’t get it wrong. Don’t think that if you talk to Lai Qingde, these people will listen to him . These people have more opinions than Lai Qingde , so they misjudged the situation. He said, “We all return to the team. Blue listens to blue, and green listens to green. I tell you, green supporters are not that stupid . Green has been protesting outside the party and has entered democratization. They also know that the best way for themselves is not to quarrel. We are the ruling party and we don’t make trouble. Let’s have a space for everyone to talk. As a result, the public is now the one who wants to recall. The civil groups are the civil groups that are forcing the DPP to step up with guns … They are still standing there hiding in the service office. Why don’t you recall them? If you don’t vote for them in the future, they are forced to take to the streets like this. How can you think that it was Lai Ching-te who gave the order? From now on, everyone will stand at the intersection every day. We don’t have that much time. Let alone being president. When I was a legislator, I spent almost half a year just doing homework. The budget was delivered in three carts. You will feel dizzy just by looking at the head. Being a new president, even if he has practiced as a vice president for four years before, it is impossible to achieve success overnight . So let’s understand the situation clearly. If my suggestion is that the Kuomintang, if you are willing, then you can have a big debate with the civil groups. So let’s understand the situation clearly. If my suggestion is that the Kuomintang, if you are willing, then you can have a big debate with the civil groups. So let’s understand the situation clearly. If my suggestion is that the Kuomintang, if you are willing, then you can have a big debate with the civil groups. I still remember that Xu Qiaoxin discussed with Guaji or someone else at that time. Then you can talk about your expertise in the Legislative Yuan . Of course, I know that Niu Xuting in Taoyuan asked someone to debate with him but was rejected. But you should always know that you asked Lai Qingde to just want to solve the problem once and for all. But Lai Qingde himself has said that no one can lead the recall action and no one can stop him. In fact, he has made his position very clear. Let me add that I explained to Weiyuan that the citizen groups , if I remember correctly , will start to stand on the streets of Songshan and Xinyi today or tomorrow . They will stand on the streets now. They have to stand on my side. I told you in advance. They were about to start standing. When we were sitting with him in the meeting, we didn’t even have the right to express our opinions. Wang Hongwei and Xu Qiaoxin were my constituencies. The four of them came and sat in my service office. I had to run around to provide service. They sat there and waited. I started asking me questions. After he finished asking, he asked how your army fights. He now wants to understand how the army fights. After asking, he said, “Okay, thank you,” and left. He didn’t tell you that he wanted to borrow a car , nor did he tell you that he needed to mobilize, nor did he tell you how to stand. We know the model of your election of the army, the air force, the navy, and the army. I originally thought that you were the wings, but now it sounds like you are not even the wings. Please call him and he may not answer . There is another problem. President Lai Ching-te often meets with these recall leaders. Lai Ching-te sits there and listens. Cao Xingcheng said that Cao Xingcheng even told Lai Ching-te that someone did not help collect signatures and the number of copies collected was not enough. This is because these people put all the pressure on the party chairman. The party chairman is like what 3Q said. The largest number of supporters of my Democratic Progressive Party has always been more than 30% . I want to consolidate my support, but now I want to consolidate this side and I can’t let go. I will talk to you next time . Then we will ignore these recall groups, these young voters, these middle-class groups . So I still have to maintain the attitude of my Democratic Progressive Party. In principle, I am in charge and I will not intervene if there is no trouble. But I have listened to what you said . That’s why Lai Qingde told me your KPI for everyone’s election. Later, didn’t you, the Kuomintang, continue to follow the same way? You also use the KPI method, but your implementation method is different from ours. But if it is really A Miao, I still go back to that sentence. Because for President Lai, President , no matter how many votes I get in the election, all the citizens of the Republic of China are my people, that is, 23 million people. But this is the case now. But if it is like President Lai said that he hopes to extend an olive branch, regardless of the national security briefing , whether to call Zhu Lilun or Huang Kuo-chang, but even if you call, you have to go back to what we just said. When Zhao Shaokang directly said that if you don’t come out to vote , you are tantamount to supporting the recall in disguise. So if you come out to vote, it is a vote of no confidence in Lai Qingde. Of course, after this tone is set, the two trains will collide before 520 today, including 517. 518 , including the activities held by the White Camp in Taichung, including yesterday’s KMT’s national honking, all those activities , all related things, all come back to the recall, these are bound to be inevitable. If we follow what the guest just said about the relationship between the recall group and the DPP, the KMT now seems to want to recall, including the two Wus, and has not stopped even though it is difficult, it is still moving forward. Now in the situation of the train collision, even if President Lai is willing , he can only wait and see . Let’s talk about the recall first. The recall must be stopped. It is definitely not about asking Lai Qingde to order it to stop, because it is indeed like what Jianyi and 3Q said just now . If Lai Qingde said to stop the recall now, even the DPP ‘s own supporters will rise up against the DPP, because these DPP grassroots legislators and legislators feel the most deeply , and the supporters are in the front You asked these legislators when to come to your office. Why are there no petitions to sign? You thought DPP legislators loved to sign petitions for recall. Everyone has so few assistants, and you still have to allocate your assistants to go to the market to get these petitions. These people are pushed by DPP supporters from behind. But what you just said and what Weiyuan just said will go back to what you see now. The propaganda methods of the blue camp and the white camp tell you that Lai Qingde wants to take away the gold medal winner and defeat the recall, which is a vote of no confidence in Lai Qingde . Huang Kuo-chang said more directly that Lai Qingde does not have the basic courage to admit that he is hiding behind the militia. The recall is clearly the DPP. Everything is like this. So now it seems that the situation of both sides is right. Wei Yuan just said that everyone should consolidate their own positions. I’m talking about whether it is possible to stop a large recall campaign that is balanced. It is possible that when the trust between the blue and white parties increases, the large recall campaign will slowly stop. Just like when Bo Wei was recalled, when Bo Wei was recalled , would he expect Yan Kuanheng to make a loud call and say, “Please stop recalling Chen Po-wei now ?” It’s impossible. Yan Kuanheng ‘s followers asked, “What are you doing now? Why did you ask us to pull you back for so long? ” So what Chen Po-wei did was very simple. He wanted to pull back the trust and support of his voters. In the end, the entire Kuomintang beat him, and he was 3,000 votes short. This is a pity. But if you look at the process, did Chen Po-wei keep calling Yan Kuanheng out every day to challenge him and say, “Come out, Yan Kuanheng, come out, I want you to come with me?” Your debate was not like this because the point is that the reason why the blue and white voters are facing the dilemma of a recall is that it is a result, that the trust has dropped to an extremely low level. If you look at all the polls now, sometimes the trust of the blue and white voters combined is not as good as that of the green voters. Why is this the case? The reason is that one year ago, when we were recording, it was almost the first anniversary of the expansion of the powers of Congress. At the time of the first anniversary of the expansion of the powers of Congress, when the tree seeds you planted have now grown into the fruit of a recall, can you go back and solve the cause? In fact, there is a chance. In fact, politics is like this. I think the polls show that there is an atmosphere among the people that politics is very polarized and everyone is gradually becoming impatient. We have to admit that, but the feeling of polarization and impatience lies in who the people think is responsible. Right? The KMT’s argument is very simple now , just like China. China always says that the responsibility lies with the US. No matter what happens, the responsibility lies with the US . China will definitely say that anything that happens in the Taiwan Strait is the responsibility of the DPP . The KMT is following this path now, but the public will watch President Lai’s speech on May 20 today . I think the most important thing he did was to share the national security briefing with the opposition leaders. Because the opposition party asked Lai Ching-te to order a halt to the recall. He actually did not want to do it, but he could not do it . This is difficult in the objective reality, but he can share other things , for example This is exclusive to the president. This is the exclusive national security and diplomacy policy. This is exclusive to the president. I am willing to share this exclusive right with you now. And don’t forget that Huang Kuo-chang is at least a legislator . Chu Li-lun doesn’t even have any public office, but the president is willing to share with him. I am willing to give you this briefing so that you can see things that were originally only available to the president. This is actually a big signal of sharing. I am willing to share this with the opposition party. Okay, now it’s the opposition party’s turn to make this proposal. They said today that of course they have to have some posture. I know that politics requires a little bit of posture, but the key point is that the opposition party, the Blue and White parties , You can also do one thing, for example, can he be approved for the nomination of the Grand Justice? If the problem of the Constitutional Procedure Law is passed, at least the dispute over whether the Constitutional Court can be opened should be resolved first , right? This is also a great goodwill. But if today the Blue and White parties are in a situation where they say , “I must win everything.” I tell you, I don’t want to have any communication with you, the Democratic Progressive Party. I just want the recall to stop. What is this called? You must surrender unconditionally . The offer released by the Blue and White parties now is that Lai Ching-te must surrender unconditionally. Everyone will see what the bargaining chips in the hands of the Blue and White parties are. Zhu Lilun said that if you don’t surrender unconditionally, we will recall Lai Ching-te. I tell you, even the Blue Party knows that this is a lie. Even the Blue Party knows that this is a lie. How can you expect that he can become a solution for domestic politics to move towards harmony? So I think President Lai Ching-te’s statement on May 20 today is actually worthy of consideration by the political leaders of the Blue and White parties. Wait a minute, A Miao just talked directly about what bargaining chips the Kuomintang has . This is the most realistic thing. If everyone wants to talk about the bargaining chips in the hands of the Kuomintang, you can’t recall Lai Ching-te because everyone knows that it is unlikely to talk about this matter. How do the Kuomintang use its bargaining chips now? I don’t think it’s using bargaining chips now. We are talking about how to solve this problem. I admit that according to the logic of the DPP, it was initially their so-called civic group. However, after the civic group initiated the movement, DPP legislators , including Ker Chien-ming, did not add fuel to the flames in the Legislative Yuan and say that they also wanted a recall movement. After such continuous fueling , of course you think that the DPP joined passively, but at the same time, the interests of these civic groups and the DPP are basically consistent. Because as long as the KMT or opposition party legislators are recalled, the DPP will have the opportunity to become the majority in the Legislative Yuan. This is a very simple calculation. Therefore, under such a situation of consistent interests, it will naturally cause the DPP to join and it will turn from a civic movement into a politically antagonistic vote. At this time, we are talking about the so-called attitude problem. Suppose today, of course, I think if President Lai Ching-te uses a more balanced approach and tells everyone that he does not want to pursue the so-called recall movement, everyone will look at this from a neutral and rational perspective. In the same way, in the Legislative Yuan, the KMT and the People’s Party have the majority in the past. Many bills or personnel powers that the DPP hopes for have always been boycotted by the KMT and the People’s Party. If so, can we sit down and talk about it? For example, the personnel power of the Supreme Court Justice that A-Miao talked about, but at the same time, the KMT and the People’s Party have boycotted it. The DPP should not use excessive boycotts on bills that all parties want. If there is a step back and forth between the parties, the social harmony will naturally emerge. I believe that the supporters of each party’s base will not like to see the other party gain. But in terms of overall social harmony, this may be a way to establish the current harmony. But for now, if we don’t sit down and talk, the extreme result will be that after the recall and the by-election , the whole party will continue to be in opposition. The opposition will continue until next year’s councillor and mayoral elections and the presidential and legislative elections the year after . I don’t think this is a very good thing for us. Shang Gong Bodhisattva Fearing the cause, all beings fear the result. The current situation has become like this . About 30 seats will face the third stage. Of course, you have to see how many seats the Central Election Commission will finally approve . Will Lin Peixiang’s seat become 31 ? Or can the blue camp withdraw? Now it has come to this point. The etiquette has been lost. Please ask the elders to tell everyone about the living fossil. I have seen so many examples just now . A-bian was more powerful than the opposition at that time . Of course, you said that President Wang Jinping may not have only that one reason , but overall, no matter what, the Republic of China has been facing this situation for more than 100 years. So what will happen next? How to solve this situation ? It seems that at present, This big recall will definitely go on. At least I can’t see any reason why it will stop. But if you go on, some people in the blue camp say that some of them will face great danger. If the blue camp faces these things, I’m going to be recalled by you, I will definitely fight you directly. Everyone knows that the third stage will definitely be a hot war. If the blue camp faces these things, I’m going to be recalled by you, I will definitely fight you directly. Everyone knows that the third stage will definitely be a hot war. So it goes on like this. It happens that 520 is the last one left, 523 , which is the deadline for Lin Peixiang’s recall. At this time, I think reconciliation is better. Let’s wait and see. I don’t know how to reconcile . I can just ask Jian Yi . You don’t care about the recall. Will you still run in 2026? You can’t do it . I think if the president comes out and makes a call, there is a chance to turn the tide . No, I don’t think so. I don’t think so… He has made it very clear that democracy must use greater democracy to solve this problem. I don’t think there is a higher consensus that there is no solution. It is to say that everything will be discussed after the recall. I think there is no room for reconciliation at this stage . Everything will be discussed after the recall . Now that the recall is over, do you think that the KMT should not remove Lai Ching-kuo at this stage? Will Germany be caught as a third-level topic? It will definitely be… Otherwise, how can we mobilize ? Now everyone is more comfortable. Suddenly everyone’s status has been raised. They are just preparing to meet with the president. You see, Zhu Lilun has been thinking about it since April. He has been talking about holding a national affairs conference and inviting the opposition party to meet with Huang Kuo-chang on April 22. He has said that he wants to invite the opposition party to hold a national affairs conference, etc. He has said it many times. He is thinking about whether he can sit there with President Lai to hold a meeting. But does this have an impact on the recall? In fact, it has no impact. That is to say, the Kuomintang you see is a party that admits its mistakes, that is, it is more honest about its mistakes in the past. You did n’t see it, so you see, all of them are sent in now. Of course, are there any who need to make up for it? That is to say , if there is a need to make up for it , if it is really divided into two stages , then the first stage is called massacre and the second stage is called Lingchi. Without Lingchi, you may not pass it because you should be able to see that almost all of you who passed the first stage passed the first stage with a high hatred value . The number of joint signatures is the highest. No matter what you say, Xu Qiaoxin , Wang Hongwei, Fu Kunqi, these people have a high proportion of joint signatures, reaching more than 130%. These people have the highest hatred value. If it is divided into two waves, you will find the most difficult thing . It’s not easy to succeed. Zhang Zhilun, what about Yan Kuanheng? If they really need to make up for it, they are holding on. As a result, you will find that if the voting is really divided into two stages, it will be a completely different election. One is that it must be hot to a certain extent because the hatred value is there. When the hatred value is there, who is dangerous? We must think of a few people, Wang Hongwei, Xu Qiaoxin, Ye Yuanzhi, and Luo Tingwei. In fact, Luo Tingwei and Niu Xuting ‘s hatred value is not that high nationwide. Why is it so high? But their hatred value is very high in the local area. Niu Xuting and Luo Tingwei have high hatred values ​​in the local area. You said that Huang Jianbin was listed as the most dangerous . Huang Jianbin, there is no way. That is the Democratic Progressive Party in Taiwan. East was blocked by a triangle, and the Democratic Progressive Party split. At that time, the split votes were evenly distributed, so Huang Jianbin won by a small margin and it was evened out. He had a structural problem. You can see that he asked Zhuang Ruixiong to hold on to the Ying faction. He is now the convener of the Ying faction, Liu Zhaohao. Then Liu Zhaohao was not elected by Tsai Ing-wen and was called back by Tsai Ing-wen. So the Ying faction was sent out in the war between the Ying faction and Lai Kuncheng. This way, there can be a middle space for negotiation . So you said, of course, a certain weekly magazine wrote 4 plus 2 and said that the most dangerous seats were exactly 6. They said why there were only 6 seats. I said you have to see clearly that the most dangerous classification has the most dangerous, the next dangerous , and the ordinary dangerous. When he classified Of course, these 6 are rated as the most dangerous. I think it is reasonable. These 6 are reasonable. The other so-called dangers they wrote that they sounded the alarm for 11. That is to say, if the voter turnout is counted, the alarm will be sounded for 11. That’s interesting. How do they calculate the voter turnout? In fact, it’s interesting that they like to use Xie Guoliang. I don’t understand why they like to use Xie Guoliang so much. The original opinion poll of Xie Guoliang showed that those who agreed to recall and those who disagreed to recall were about 20% higher than those who agreed to recall. Then they voted for the active administrative head. All the mobilization systems came out like this. He won the votes by more than 10,000. He said that’s it. Now they have done it in various regions. Most of them disagree with the recall, which is higher than About 10% to 15% agree to recall , less than 20%. And his operation mode and mobilization mode, etc. , are different from Xie Guoliang ‘s mobilization mode with administrative resources, etc., and the capacity is far behind. So I came out to tell you that all three levels are optimistic. Privately, all three levels are not optimistic. All three levels are not optimistic . It’s just verbal. In fact, all three levels are not optimistic. You counted the most dangerous ones, but Tu Quanji was not included. Tu Quanji was listed as dangerous, but he was not listed as the most dangerous. Zheng Zhengqian and Fu Kunqi were all listed as dangerous. You also included the thing that I find most puzzling. Maybe you can explain why Lai Shibao was also included. Dangerous . Li Yen-hsiu’s danger level is lower than Lai Shi-bao. This is really beyond my imagination. I asked about it. Lai Shi-bao’s danger level is higher than Li Yen-hsiu’s. This is beyond my imagination. I always thought that the ranking was Wang Hong-wei, Xu Qiao-xin, Li Yen-hsiu, Luo Zhi-qiang, and Lai Shi-bao. As a result, some evaluations within the party and some evaluations put Lai Shi-bao so far ahead that his danger level even exceeds that of Li Yen-hsiu. I don’t quite understand this. Of course, the second most dangerous person in Taichung is Liao Wei-xiang. So they classified it and said that when you wait until the second stage, the 15 people who sounded the alarm generally have these people . The top six are the most dangerous ones I just mentioned. The ones behind them, and then you will find that they are all talking about one thing at this stage . In fact, no matter whether the recall of Lai Ching-te will succeed or not , and then do anything , in fact, to a certain extent, what they are doing is called emotional mobilization. They want to accumulate the hatred of the blue camp against the green camp, and then stimulate your emotions in the hope that you will come out to vote. Because their biggest problem now is the voter turnout. But if that’s really the case, then recently you have seen that some of the operating modes in several districts are really preparing for the third stage. 3Q Lin Peixiang Lin Peixiang’s words, because he didn’t pass the second stage, no matter how you think about it, it doesn’t make sense. He will say a lot of things to stimulate everyone , but he just said a lot. Then next, this is the part that the Kuomintang has to defend. The part that the Kuomintang has to attack, everyone has discussed the most recently . Now the most well-known in the country , Li Xiaoliang, is considered to be well-known in the country, right ? In the past, no one knew who Li Xiaoliang was . And if we talk about Lai Yiren Lai Yiren because he is the one in Wu Siyao’s district, all of these, including whether the Kuomintang’s Li Xiaoliang should meet with Zhu Lilun , can be discussed for so long. 3Q Why do you think it is like this ? This election requires a momentum and an atmosphere , so what are they creating now to create an atmosphere? What is this atmosphere ? The atmosphere started when Ye Yuanzhi was about to be recalled . He turned around and called for help and joined Fu Kunqi to call on the Party Central Committee to directly fight the third stage. This was their earliest strategy and has continued to this day, so they don’t have any first or second stage choices. For me at the time, the first stage was my first First, one year and ten months earlier, on the fifth day after I took office , they said they were going to recall me. This matter had been discussed for more than a year . During this process, Yan Kuanheng tried to test whether there was a chance to recall Chen Po-wei. Jiang Qichen was thinking that if I recalled Chen Po-wei, I could stay and continue to be the party chairman. Then Zhu Lilun thought that I had to shout louder than Jiang Qichen so that I could have the legitimacy to take over. The Kuomintang has nothing to talk about political achievements all year long , and you are so boring. You can just elect me as the party chairman. So when the entire Kuomintang was discussing me, there must be different corresponding strategies in the first, second and third stages that year. Everyone knows where Zhu Lilun has votes . Zhu Lilun went to my constituency where there are no votes… Why would he go there for his own political purposes ? So now the entire Kuomintang legislators have completely lost the ability to mediate in wars . When the game is over, you play the big two. After 17 cards are dealt, you collapse on the table. I have two twos and I have three kings. I will play whatever you play. You just laid all your cards on the table. What does that mean? You stepped on the accelerator to the bottom right from the start. That’s why we say that there is no way to take back the recall. How can we lower the hatred level now? Let me tell you , when I did the recall polls, my hatred level would drop only in one situation. That is when I reduced the generation of hatred, that is, when I reduced the provocative language and reduced the provocation. I used to argue with Chen Yuzhen and asked her how about giving out 10,000… I said, won’t the amount of money get bigger and bigger ? Should we exchange 40,000 for 1 dollar? Then she got very angry… She got very angry, and my recall campaign would increase the hatred level. So in the end, we are in the third stage, which is actually only two weeks , from October 10th to October 23rd, when the vote is actually held. You can curse at me as much as you want, and I won’t curse you anymore. Or I can say , won’t anyone question whether they are fake citizens? Then the hatred level will rise. This is what the people are listening to. But now the Kuomintang has no chance of backing off the accelerator. Yes, so he will say that you are cultists who love to vote. He will say that you are marginal people. He said that you have a monthly salary of 82,000 and you just talk nonsense . Regional legislators are facing recall. What firewood are you adding to the non-regional legislators? Because they are the whole party . The central kitchen of the party central committee has ordered everyone to prepare for the battle. Everyone must be like boiling water. Let’s see what will happen in the end. I want to remind the Kuomintang that the polls for the recall vote will be completely different from your election polls. Those who oppose will come out to vote, and those who agree will not. Okay, you are over there. I tell you that when we are doing these things today, I will give you another example of mine. You may not have noticed this news back then. Ke Wenzhe did jump out and say that the People’s Party will not intervene. Okay , then Lai Ching-te jumped out and said that from today on, the Democratic Progressive Party can participate or not. The last example is the petition for the rectification of the name of the Tokyo Olympics in 2018. Let’s talk about that. The Democratic Progressive Party said that we will not intervene. It doesn’t matter if you want to vote or not. Among the 10 referendums that year , the highest of the green camp was that one. All of them included I believe in same-sex marriage, nuclear power, and everything you want. The highest poll that year was the result of the petition for the rectification of the name of the Tokyo Olympics. Do you think it would be useful for the chairman to come out and talk about it ? I don’t care. It’s useless. Come on, Zhu Lilun, you are the one who brought your shrimp soldiers and crab generals to sweep my constituency when you impeached me. Lai Qingde has not done this thing until today. Ko Wenzhe said it was useless , so why do you think that you should mainly talk to Lai Qingde? From the beginning to the end, the understanding of the recall campaign was wrong. The leaders of them were wrong . The targets of hatred were wrong. The groups that launched the campaign were wrong. Even the expectations of Lai Qingde were wrong. I tell you that if the entire recall case goes back to that place , If we go back to the speeches and remarks of Huang Kuo-chang and Zhu Lilun, all matters that can be discussed in this round should be discussed in the Legislative Yuan. All matters that can be discussed in this round should be discussed in the Legislative Yuan. Otherwise, there is nothing else to discuss. Do you understand what I mean? What bargaining chips do you still have in your hands, including what Wei Yuan just said today? Isn’t it the votes in the Legislative Yuan ? The votes in the Legislative Yuan, what can be discussed is the matters in the Legislative Yuan? He said that Ko Ching-ming should not come out and call for a general recall. Ko Ching-ming should be the one who calls for a general recall. If Ko Ching-ming doesn’t call for a general recall, no one else can, because they are equals in the Legislative Yuan. He is the enemy party that was thrown down by you, so they should If he wants to shout, that’s his job. All the things you can talk about should be discussed in the Legislative Yuan. If Lai Qingde accepted the agreement of the two chairmen of the opposition , and then sat down and drank coffee and started to talk , what else can you talk about besides the Legislative Yuan? What else can you talk about? So the only one who benefited was Huang Kuo-chang, because Huang Kuo-chang started shouting from the first day of his election that he wanted to meet with Lai Qingde, so Huang Kuo-chang was happy to see it. You see, I used it, right? I have no political rights and no votes, so I first dealt with Ko Wen-je over there, thank you… After getting a legislator, I locked up Ko Wen-je and I became the party chairman . Now I start using the party chairman again. Lai Qingde wants to meet with me, and he made a profit. The best manipulator in Taiwan is Huang Kuo-chang, so if this meeting happens, I tell you that Huang Kuo-chang will benefit . Huang Kuo- chang will come out and Lai Qingde will listen to my advice in the end and decide to have a day off every Sunday. You will definitely say something that is not what you meant, but he succeeded. It must be like this. I tell you 100% that this is the case. Huang Kuo-chang is narrow-minded, so my logic is very simple. Is there any inter-agency coordination today ? Is there any normal review procedure of the Legislative Yuan? Is there anyone using the procedural committee to reject other people’s cases that should not be rejected? The party group did not negotiate during the negotiation, and then at 6 pm The meeting was held at 7 o’clock. All the examples of sabotage are things that the Legislative Yuan can solve. Not discussing it in the Legislative Yuan but forcing the President to discuss it is already opening a backdoor for Zhu Lilun and Huang Kuo-chang. Don’t push it any further. Do n’t threaten Lai Qingde. Don’t threaten the President of the Republic of China . Okay, if we really separate the offensive and defensive sides, then it will benefit Lin Peixiang’s seat because it was originally said that the petition was to be submitted on May 22 , and the last day was May 23. Now they are saying that they will postpone it to May 23. I think it’s not because there are not enough signatures , but the entire strike group is actually very rhythmic to prolong the heat because we know that the submission period is actually a certain degree of cooling-off period because it is 40 days and no one is submitting it, so Keelung is the only one submitting it. Why is all The strike groups are all concentrated in Keelung. While helping Lin Peixiang, they are also helping themselves because there are 12 constituencies that have not yet reached 130%. There are two meanings to reaching 130%. The first is that they need to make up for the missing documents. We don’t know how much will be deleted after the missing documents are made up. So they want to reach 130% . The other meaning of 130% is that if one person gets one vote in the future , then the so-called parameters are used to double the parameters. Then the votes can exceed the 25% threshold. So all the strike groups are rushing for this 130% . So when they concentrate their resources to help Keelung, they are actually signing and petitioning. They use Keelung’s publicity to maintain the heat and also rush themselves to 130%. How many are 130% now? There are 18 districts with 130%. 130% means that every district of the KMT is in danger. These 18 districts are multiplied by 2. If we multiply by 2, one person can get one vote, then we have passed the threshold. So what you have left is called the KMT. How do you mobilize votes against recall? So Lai Qingde just talked about hatred mobilization. Who is mobilizing hatred? The KMT is mobilizing hatred. It is not a strike . The strike has set the tone of this movement from the beginning. We use a sentence from Teacher Li Qiao, which is called resistance is love. Why do all the literary and art circles and the film and television circles say that we are a love letter to Taiwan? All the petitions are called love letters to Taiwan. It is to reduce all the hatred values. And a large part of it is called the middle A large part of the voters is called the knowledge blue . So why is Lai Shibao more dangerous than Li Yanxiu ? After all, Li Yanxiu has Nangang District and he has the grassroots resources for organization and mobilization. This is actually beneficial to Li Yanxiu. Why is it so difficult to recall in rural areas? Why hasn’t 3Q’s hair been shaved yet? Because they have an organization mobilization order. The organization mobilization order will make the so-called joint signature in that area more difficult. It will also be more intense for the so-called three-stage voting, and it will be easier to mobilize votes against the recall. For the so-called more than 130% in these 18 districts in the metropolitan area , if you look at it, it is almost all metropolitan areas. Take Taichung City as an example. Three districts have more than 130%. They are all in Taichung City, Taichung County, Jiang Qichen ‘s other three constituencies are actually in the so-called old Taichung County , which means that the distinction between urban and rural areas is very obvious. This time in the metropolitan constituencies , the Kuomintang faces a great threat because they actually misjudged this movement, which is called the DPP’s movement. It’s wrong because this movement is called the middle-class voters, the intellectuals, the arts, and film and television circles. These people are young people who may not have cared about politics in the past . They joined this movement and pushed the DPP supporters to move. They pushed the DPP supporters to move, so that these legislators dare not move. Should I run? These were their supporters in the past. Now they all have to sign their petitions. If you say you don’t accept your petition, you will be scolded to death. So why does the DPP want to move Lai Qingde and there is no way to stop it? Because you are very different from the KMT. Which leader of these citizen strike groups has been sent to prison now. They said they wanted to withdraw. The KMT is unwilling to be the leader. Everyone is hiding from these so-called citizen strike leaders. Everyone has been sent to prison. How can I withdraw? I will bear all legal responsibilities. I will bear all the rights and responsibilities of these strike groups. This is not the responsibility of you legislators, but the responsibility of me, the leaders . How can I explain this? 30,000 signatures on the recall petition. How can I withdraw if I agree to the recall petition ? So there is no reason for those to withdraw . Next, they have already started supporting the strike group across Taiwan through the Keelung campaign. They are not only urging for votes , but also urging for signatures for the third phase. They have already started preparing for the third phase of mobilization . How powerful are these mobilizations? Don’t say that we are electing a councillor . Councillor Jianyi knows very well here that if you have 10 volunteers, it’s amazing. It doesn’t take money for you to have 10 volunteers to help you during the election . That’s amazing. There is a strike group with 300 volunteers. Their resources come from this: people without money contribute money and people with time contribute time. Of course, 300 volunteers will be more powerful than a councillor. I’m even honest. When Lai Ching-te was running for president, there might not have been 300 volunteers . If a president doesn’t have 300 volunteers, how many votes do you think they will get if these strike groups have 300 volunteers lining up on the streets to campaign? So I’ve always said that this is right about this big recall movement. Lin Pei-hsiang said that I am a marginal person, but this marginal person is getting bigger and bigger, from 1% to now 13%. After 13%, it will be expanded to 25%. Where does this expanded energy come from ? It is because everyone is not the center. Everyone is a volunteer. Everyone devotes his time and money to this recall movement. When everyone is the main body, everyone canvasses for a vote. Do you think the KMT ‘s recalled legislators are in danger? I think at this stage, it has exceeded 13% and has reached 130%. The recalled legislators in the strike groups in these 18 districts should be very cautious in facing the next three-stage voting . The best way for the KMT to respond is not the three-stage voting , but to prepare candidates for the fourth stage. What I want to say is that these strike groups do not necessarily support the DPP . As long as you put forward good candidates, you can even compete with the DPP. The candidates of these strike groups are not necessarily from any political party as legislators. They just can’t stand the legislators in the Congress who are being led by Fu Kunqi to run around to China. We divide them into two parts . Now for the Kuomintang, these 30 or 31 seats depend on Lin Peixiang. But obviously Lin Peixiang’s hatred value is in the stack . I don’t know if the strategy is really to go early. Like 3Q said, you guys set the tone early to attack the third level, so everyone mobilized all the hatred values. This is the part where you have to defend the 30 or 31 seats and attack. Especially like Li Xiaoliang, Li Xiaoliang suddenly bowed a while ago , which made people suddenly feel that you seemed to be released or something, but it is obvious. However, Li Xiaoliang did not withdraw and he recently said that he has a night plan for the strike. Then the media reported it because that was Xiaoping. Xiaoping said in the program that the Kuomintang has some village heads of party members who actually do not really obey the party’s will and keep doing it. Today, the media reported that Fang Hesheng, the strongest village head on the surface, seems to support Wu Peiyi. So how do you deal with it? And some people even say that he is so powerful in the local area that the Kuomintang can afford to offend him. First of all, I think now you are talking about whether you are aiming for the third level. Because honestly speaking, the chances of other districts passing the second level are quite high, except for a few places where the local political ecology may be more complicated. So I think this Lin Pei Xiang Of course, I don’t know if he prepared for the third stage in advance , but according to his current strategy , it is indeed a straight-up confrontation , and he directly grabs the strike group and then directly confronts it. But why does he target the third stage? Because it’s very simple . In the polls just mentioned , even if there are more people who disagree with the recall than those who agree with the recall, then according to the voter turnout just now, about 80 % of the green camp want to recall the recall, while the blue camp has less than 50% in the polls. It’s terrible. If everyone doesn’t come out to vote, they may not win , not to mention that only half of us come out to vote. So for the current KMT legislators, everyone is probably ready. The third stage is definitely likely to take shape. After it takes shape, we have to encourage our supporters. How to encourage them? The first one I just talked about is arresting Lai Qingde. Now it seems that the olive branch only lasts until today. You may not discuss it anymore. It only lasts until today. OK , it seems like this because it is impossible to stop. Then, apart from Lai Qingde, the next step is a direct confrontation. Whether it is against the strike group or for their own supporters who want to come out and vote, the purpose is probably like this . Back to Li Xiaoliang , we are indeed attacking Wu Peiyi and Wu Siyao. There is nothing optimistic. Including Li Xiaoliang himself, I think he is a very honest person . For example, he may only have 6,000 signatures in the second phase, right? The 6,000 signatures he mentioned seem to be far from the threshold because the deadline is approaching . Including this, I actually think During the process, the local village chiefs of the Kuomintang began to have different problems. For example, although we are talking about Fang Hesheng now , to be honest, why do I say that Li Xiaoliang is a very honest person ? When it comes to Fang Hesheng, right? But because our Xiaoliang actually held two events where he took the initiative to collect signatures. One of them was in Zhongqinli. Zhongqinli should be our village chief Fang Hesheng . So at this time , it was actually quite embarrassing. How should I put it ? When everyone began to question whether Village Chief Fang Hesheng stood with Commissioner Wu Peiyi , Xiaoliang went out to Zhongqinli again. To be honest, it was quite terrifying politically. The local village chiefs would think that you are challenging us. But to be honest, I think Village Chief Fang Hesheng did not directly say He supports Wu Peiyi. Why is the so-called propaganda he posted about Wu Peiyi in line with the food bank he promoted ? What has been promoted by village chief Fang Hesheng for a long time ? There is Wu Peiyi, a member of the committee, but also Guo Zhaoyan, a member of the Kuomintang. So the blue and green parties are together. So you say that in this situation , is it that the village chief of the Kuomintang defected? It is impossible to tell from this photo. But if Brother Xiaoping pointed out that there are village chiefs of the Kuomintang who really defected, this is of course a violation of our party discipline and the issue of our party’s identity. But the person who tied the bell must untie it. I am not talking about this village chief , but Brother Xiaoping who raised this point. He should tell me directly which village chief is which village chief. Our speaker is now the acting chairman. He will go down to investigate . If he really supports the Democratic Progressive Party, there is nothing to say and he should be expelled. He was fired. But it was Brother Xiaoping who said this name. Otherwise, now everyone in Zhongzheng Wanhua Village is in danger. It’s not me… but no one knows this . But now it seems that why A-Miao Lin Peixiang keeps talking about these things , and he doesn’t just stop after saying those things. He continues to go to the media and continues to talk about some other reasons. So I said that Lin Peixiang is expressing his true feelings. He is really expressing his true feelings. Because before, when I saw everyone compiling his speech, I thought, which aide would suggest the boss to talk about such things in an interview? It ‘s impossible. Later, after understanding his background and growth process, I felt that this is the true feelings. He really believes that we should put ourselves in each other ‘s shoes. If I had such a fortune and such an experience , I might also think that I am the top 1% is just because he didn’t realize that his family background, his father was the mayor, his mother was a legislator who won six consecutive terms, he went to the United States when he was young , he had no worries about food and clothing, everything was arranged for him, after he came back he got a job immediately , and was elected as a council member, he was elected as the vice speaker immediately , and in fact he had already tried to be the mayor , right ? He tried to be the mayor, but he didn’t do well in the mayoral election because he lost to another young man, so he felt that he was so arrogant, I think that was his true feelings, his true thoughts, so the people who didn’t do things well were the ones who arranged for Lin Peixiang to appear on these shows. Frankly speaking , I think he is now in election mode, facing a recall, and treating it as an election is correct, so they started to arrange some interviews, which must be what the people around him would do when they want to package him , but they completely misjudged the degree of Lin Peixiang’s self-esteem, that is to say, the people who arranged for him to appear on the show didn’t realize that Lin Peixiang was a fool. After Lin Peixiang went up and made this foolish statement, he got angry. After he went on the show again and explained, he said, “Yes, I am the Top 1% and Zhang Sigang who was sitting next to him was so embarrassed. He also said to Sigang that if there are 2.5 million people among the 250,000 people, there are only 2.5 million people and only 25,000 people. You must be among them. I see that Sigang is scared to death. If Zhang Sigang says to me, Zhang Sigang is also in the top 1%. I tell you that the next pressure he will face in the future is him . But Lin Peixiang did not change his mind at all. He did not notice the embarrassment of his friend from the Kuomintang next to him. He continued to speak proudly and said that these strike groups originally needed warmth. We just need to go through this barrier, so they gather together for warmth. When it comes to this, it ’s really true. I saw that the strike group in Keelung was a little worried about whether they could pass the safety threshold. But with the current situation of Lin Peixiang cheering for his own recall, I think the safety threshold is also getting closer. So , it is not just Lin Peixiang ‘s problem . What if Lin Peixiang really becomes one of the focal points of the third phase of the recall after he gains the spotlight? I think this will cause trouble for many KMT committee members . Just like what we just talked about Li Yanxiu, Li Yanxiu has been deliberately keeping a low profile since the news about his house in California was exposed. He quit all his positions in the Cultural and Communications Commission and he doesn’t want to appear in front of the camera. He wants to keep a low profile , but who is pulling Li Yanxiu so that he can’t keep a low profile? Wang Hongwei, Xu Qiaoxin and Luo Zhiqiang make it so that Li Yanxiu can’t keep a low profile even if he wants to. But who is pulling Li Yanxiu so that he can’t keep a low profile? Wang Hongwei, Xu Qiaoxin and Luo Zhiqiang make it so that Li Yanxiu can’t keep a low profile even if he wants to, because in Taipei City, they were tied together , and in the end, Wang Hongwei, Xu Qiaoxin and Luo Zhiqiang pulled Li Yanxiu and Lai Shibao through the threshold in one breath. Then in the future, if there is another Lin Peixiang in Keelung, northern Taiwan, and Lin Peixiang has always loved to go on shows , and every time he goes on the show, he says that he is Top 1 to me. % I am a marginal figure in the recall group. I do not regret it. When I said these things, think about it. Luo Tingwei also wants to keep a low profile . Liao Weixiang also wants to keep a low profile. But the problem is that everyone wants to say that Lin Peixiang is a billboard figure and the focus figure . Everyone will want to say that we should also compare which second-generation politicians and which rich kids are facing recall in the Kuomintang. Liao Weixiang will definitely be compared soon. So I think the Kuomintang should return to the real core point. The Kuomintang needs to solve the recall issue and repair the social trust of the Kuomintang itself. If they don’t think about taking this path and keep talking about Lai Qingde coming out to explain, then they are completely wrong. Because those who support the recall are not necessarily those who like the DPP, and those who support the recall are not necessarily those who support Lai Qingde , but those who hate the KMT . The KMT has not realized that the target of their battle is those who hate the KMT rather than those who hate the DPP. So I think in this entire third stage, the KMT really needs to think about whether it can use their current position in the Legislative Yuan. It is still the majority chip in the Legislative Yuan. It can untie a bunch of knots that have been created since last year. You said the Constitutional Procedure Law, the personnel case of the Grand Justices , the general budget , and the Legislative Yuan Powers Exercise Law of the Congress , etc. If the Kuomintang can prove that you can untie these knots that you tied with your own hands, there is still some hope after your trust gradually recovers. But if you want Lin Peixiang, Xu Qiaoxin, and Wang Hongwei to be your posters, this will be good news for the strike group . Why is it that when Jianyi talks about it, no matter if you say that there are many people like the curator or the Kuomintang, there were some people like the non-district committee members who kept talking about the issue of money. It seems that many people in the strike group have money. They always want to talk about money. For the common people , they will feel that whether you have taken money is something they care about. Of course, the strike group tells you to provide evidence of who has taken money or something, otherwise they will sue . This is one thing , but even the curator said that some people are for Money and all that stuff, but I always ask this question . Yishan just mentioned the 300 volunteers in the strike group. This is something you can hardly imagine. 300 volunteers , and all kinds of creative ideas. I always ask my friends in the Kuomintang, and they say, when you want to strike someone, how do you motivate your people or have volunteers willing to do this? This is very important. When people are passionate about doing something, they are more likely to do what they want to do than if you give them money or even force them . Why is it hard for me to imagine even the curator giving a speech? The curator has millions of fans , and how much traffic is there? Why are there so few people giving speeches ? I should say that it is easy to find a pretext to accuse someone of a crime. When you want to discuss a group , our so-called civic group , and you keep saying that you can’t find any reason to attack them , to talk about them, to accuse them, or to point fingers at them and scold them, of course you have to talk about money. This is the way most people usually discuss it. I know that when we are in an election, how many volunteers do you really need? 10? It’s very difficult. All 10 of them are difficult. He is a veteran. All 10 of them are difficult. Of course, you need him to help you all day long , help you with scheduling , and distribute things and tissues. There are 74 constituencies in our constituency, and you need to assign as many volunteers as possible to complete the task. So the reason why they are trying to accuse you is here. Why do they have to keep an eye on this? I can only say that these volunteers don’t necessarily have to come if you pay them. They really have to be willing. So during the election process, I personally think that these things are stimulated. Let me talk about Lin Peixiang again. Do you remember the phrase “high-level outsiders”? Who said Guo Guanying? Guo Guanying was a Taiwanese, high-level outsiders , and so on. I should say that they grew up in Keelung. Their family has a noble family. To be honest, these three sons have not only been elected mayor, but also legislators. This is the second time. He has been elected for everything , but he was a councilor. He was the deputy speaker in the first term. I can only say that he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. That should be like this. Relatively speaking, you use this method to Top Do you remember the 1%? Why did Lien Sheng-wen win the election at the beginning and Ko Wen-je won a lot of votes? The manipulator manipulated him to the end, which is the so-called sense of deprivation. That’s the reason. You, Lin Peixiang , want to make yourself the hottest in the country. The 31st national attention . On the 23rd, I tell you that even the legislators around you, including the common living circle of Taipei City, Taipei City, Keelung City, and Taoyuan City, not to mention Taoyuan, Taipei City , Keelung City, and all the 5 seats in Taipei City will be implicated . So in this place, the Kuomintang, especially Lin Peixiang, you don’t know how to operate the election. You want to follow the so-called Keelung mayor model. Stand alone on the street holding a banner. Why do you run away every time you mention Zhang Yuanxiang? That Zhang Yuanxiang is talking to Zhang Yuanxiang. When you mention Zhang Yuanxiang, you run away. The strike groups have such reactions between you and him, including our councillors who said that when they went to Keelung to give a speech, they ran away when they encountered this. I can only say that if you don’t know what you should face and do at this time , you can just wait for the recall to be successful. How do you boost enthusiasm? You know, the enthusiasm is really different when comparing the two. Let’s talk about it equally. On the one hand, I only have 6,000 copies and I can’t see the chairman . On the other hand, if you only look at the number of volunteers or the creative ideas or something, I believe there are many things that must be huge. Part of it must be that you have the information. No matter how he feels about the blue camp or the white camp, you can say it is hatred or whatever . He is passionate about doing this. How do you encourage such enthusiasm ? First of all, there are some conflicts and contradictions between our current main thesis and the thesis of supporting the recall of Wu Siyao and Wu Peiyi. To be honest, our main thesis does not agree with the recall. We support the recall of Kuomintang legislators, but for example, I went to the constituency of Wu Siyao and Wu Peiyi. If you support the recall of our supporters , there will be some conflicts in the intuitive hearing or logic . So of course, they will have certain contradictions. Then, I was also surprised that there were so few people in the curator’s show, right? But the problem is that the number of people who watched his live broadcast still met his conditions. There were tens of thousands of people watching. In fact, the enthusiasm is still there. Of course, I think you are asking whether these supporters of the Kuomintang or non-green supporters are enthusiastic about these Kuomintang legislators. The campaign event we held on April 26 seemed to have a good result, but can such support be achieved on a regular basis? It seems quite difficult to show it in other activities because I just think that I will vote. To be honest, when I participate in activities, I just support Xu Qiaoxin and Wang Hongwei. I don’t need to repeatedly go to so many venues to show my support. This in turn will present a very serious problem. We can’t find the people we support now . That is to say , even if we use hatred, the number of our volunteers for the so-called Wu Siyao and Wu Peiyi is the same. Going back to the contradiction in my argument at the beginning, the hatred of our supporters has always disliked Wu Siyao , but I don’t agree with the recall. This is the big logic. Of course, their back and forth will be dissolved by such conflicts . So I think this is also highlighted . During the process of Wu Siyao and Wu Peiyi’s petition, the volunteers did not seem to be so enthusiastic. Of course, it is undeniable that the relationship between our party workers and our party chairman and the judiciary does affect the public ‘s fear of petitioning. I can add that if you ask the director why there are so few people on the scene, I can only say that supporting the director does not mean supporting the recall of Wu Peiyi . We just want to watch the curator’s live broadcast. What is the content of today’s discussion or his hosting style and scolding style. But that is the situation on that day. I also agree with what Wei Yuan just said. Even if the Democratic Progressive Party wants to mobilize many older generations , they may not be willing to mobilize. In addition , there are more and more ways to show live broadcasts through video and other media. Therefore, the support on the scene is not as enthusiastic and high as before. I can only say that if the curator came to this scene, why are there so few people? I should say that the legitimacy, persuasiveness and so-called tension of recalling Wu Peiyi have not come out at all. So when I watch the curator’s live broadcast, I support the curator, but it does not mean that I support the recall of Wu Peiyi or Wu Siyao. So I personally think that the legitimacy of the Kuomintang is still not OK . Shang Gong, today the Legislative Yuan passed the postponement of July 31. The green camp said in the interpretation that this is to open the judicial umbrella. Because you see that the Democratic Progressive Party has placed a bunch of umbrellas under it . Some people say that in this judicial action, some of the chairpersons have the status of legislators, so the blue camp and the white camp should join hands to postpone it to July 31. After July 31, it is still possible to hold it. There will still be some problems. Zhao Shaokang said that if we wait until the third stage , he said that the week before the election, including Lu and Han OK, the most important big names of the Kuomintang will all come down and go to every place and then unite and defend every seat. Do you think it can be done? The first one is July 31st. As we just said, if there are additional documents for voting , it may be divided into two stages. The first stage will be on July 30th. Maybe you will vote before July 31st because they have been proposed since May . If you calculate the schedule, you may have to vote in July. Of course, when you vote in July, you will have a blind spot , which is that these people, the Kuomintang, have any reason , but the most puzzling thing is that you are not going to be recalled, right? The Kuomintang has any reason, but the most puzzling thing is that you are not going to be recalled, right? Shouldn’t you go back to take care of the votes? Why are you all in the Legislative Yuan ? In fact, the arrangements for the July 31st agenda are all in the hands of the Kuomintang. Will the Kuomintang really arrange many bills and require all these members to be present? Then do the 30 people who are facing recall and are already in the second stage go back to run ? Of course they should. So you said to postpone the meeting , but not to postpone many meetings. The postponement of the meeting does not schedule important bills. Otherwise, what should we do ? Everyone should not go back, that’s not it. What is the purpose of July 31st? Let me talk about it today. So I said the purpose of July 31st. I feel very puzzled about how you analyze their reasons. The only valid reason is that legislators who hold important positions before the vote should not be interviewed . It’s strange that you were interviewed. You said that there are at least three or four legislators who are also chairmen of local party departments, and some are also chairmen of the central organization and development committee. Xu Yuzhen, of course, extended you to one because we are in the session now. You only have the habeas corpus. If you want to scold, scold the National Assembly. The National Assembly was very unhappy about you rubbish and the cockroach war. Why do we have the right of habeas corpus only when we have a meeting? You have it during the term of the Legislative Yuan, so you revised it to the session as soon as it got angry. In fact, to put it more clearly, who is the convener of the party group? Fu Kunqi, Fu Kunqi, the case related to him is still there. What if there is a sudden interview? Zhan Tianxia suddenly came for an interview? The ore case suddenly came for an interview. It’s worse now. It’s not you . The problem of a single case affects the entire city. You said that Lin Peixiang ‘s case fermented only in Keelung City. No, it was just a shock wave , and everything was shaken out. So what is the purpose of the postponement ? In fact, I personally think it is to prevent certain people from being interviewed at this time . I just mentioned that in the election campaign , if the third stage is played later, including Lu, Han, and Chiang, if these big names go all out to protect the market, because this time it is very important that the metropolitan area is the KMT’s seriously injured area, so these people happen to be you know that Taichung is the mayor Lu Shiuyan, Taipei is Chiang Wan-an, and Han Kuo-yu. Don’t talk about Han fans. There are still many Han fans . So for the KMT, the real treasures in the future are these three. Of course, you… These three are the people who have the strongest appeal to the base in the KMT political arena so far. Even Chu Li- lun can’t compare with these three people. Lu Shiu-yan is the first one that many people have doubts about his election as party chairman. The second one is expected to be the one with the highest expectation in the KMT in 2028. So basically, he is the second one who has appeal to the grassroots. Han Guoyu, we all know that he is the deep blue leader. The deep blue leader is a cloud-piercing arrow. He is the deep blue leader. As long as I say that you hold it on 426 at Kaidao, as long as Han Guoyu nods and goes to the scene, there will be 6,000 more people on the scene without mobilization. There can be 4,000 to 6,000 more people. He has the basic energy among the deep blue . Jiang Wanan is more neutral. You said he is a deep blue because there are some things that the deep blue has opinions about him , such as the Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall, etc. But the problem is that Jiang Wanan is regarded as the future young master of the future KMT, the future President Jiang of the KMT , so he also has a certain degree of expectation. You said that Hou Youyi does not have such expectations, that is, none of the others have. Moreover, the four municipalities now have 30 , and the four municipalities have sent out the second level, and only 30 of them are 23. 23 others are just a few… two, so he said, how big is the responsibility that these few people have to bear? And everyone will definitely scramble for it. Of course , everyone will definitely scramble for it. In the future, it will be a bit like the election, where people scramble to do street sweeping and vegetable market tours , and everyone hopes that you will not give them 5 minutes , but that you can walk with them for a while . So you can see that in the future, these few are the ones that the Kuomintang will use. Of course, the mayors of various counties and cities will have to go back to take care of their own people. If it looks like this, in the future, when it reaches the third stage, it will really be like the traditional imagined election campaign, which is just a one-man martial arts world. In the future, however, the mobilization or campaigning will definitely be like this. Come on, Miao, you will be in court as a witness in the last 2 minutes today. Ko Wen-je asked you to appear in court. Everyone is curious . Have you noticed that , in fact , including the People ‘s Party and Huang Kuo – chang , they published an article earlier saying that you will go to court , and even directly said Something is not right. Or even saying that you think this is just a simple testimony in court. This is a political or something. I actually received this subpoena a long time ago. But I think at least Brother Wu, you also know that as a lawyer, testifying is a national obligation. You don’t need to talk about this and that in a high-profile manner. Because the day before the court appearance last night, the Democratic Progressive Party suddenly posted an article . Their Central Organization Department said that this judicial surname Lai is not right. Then there is the pursuit of Ko Wen-je . I read these things and they are simply incomprehensible. Because in fact, when Ko Wen-je appeared in court on March 20 this year, he took the initiative to say that Miao Boya’s questioning was my guarantee . It was Ko Wen-je who took the initiative to say it. Ko Wen-je took the initiative to say this matter. The prosecutor requested to subpoena me. I got the court subpoena . If I get the court subpoena and don’t go, what will happen? They will be fined and arrested, right? If they are not brought to justice, they will be exiled overseas and become an orange. It is such a simple matter. However, I think I have a feeling today. Because time is short, to be honest, the People’s Party seems to have taken the case of Ko Wen-je in the wrong direction. What do I mean? Simply put, if you think about how to be good to Ko Wen-je, you should make the most favorable argument on the legal issues , that is, to help Ko Wen-je fight for innocence, because if he is guilty of any of the charges, his political life will end immediately. You must help him fight for innocence. However, my feeling is that the People’s Party is very keen on manipulating public opinion outside the court. For example, when I finished testifying today and came out, I saw that many of them were writing something on their own on the Internet. We took notes from the court session today, but none of them were correct. There were also some root notes written in them. It wasn’t originally what I said, but then I said I did say it, and then I thought I finally understood how those notes were produced when Zhu Yahu and Lin Qinrong appeared in court. I felt strange when I saw them, thinking, would they really say that? Today I encountered it myself, and it turned out to be like this . The whole process lasted about 160 minutes, during which there was a prosecutor and four lawyers questioning Ko Wen-je , and then Shen Qingjing , Huang Jingmao, and Ying Xiaowei all asked questions. In fact, many legal disputes were discussed in the whole 160 minutes , but in the end, it turned out that they were just making a political interpretation . I think that this will actually put Ko Wen-je in legal danger, and maybe politically he will still have some of the most enthusiastic supporters who support him, but as long as he is in these cases, once If any of the verdicts are confirmed, I think this is actually the worst outcome for Ko Wen-je himself. OK . What are the appeals for the last 30 seconds of the recall ? I think we have come to this point. In fact, there is probably only a straight ball confrontation left . Because in fact, if you really want everyone to stop this, it seems that the train has already started and there is basically no brake. In this case, I think in addition to building hatred between each other, including the KMT’s strategy , the voter turnout is everything , and the middle-class voters are even more critical. In the past, these middle-class voters were not so politically opposed. How can the KMT legislators who are willing to support the KMT at this time actually include the postponement of the Legislative Yuan. The Legislative Yuan’s affairs are resolved in the Legislative Yuan. If there are any good bills, please propose them quickly to increase the society’s trust in the KMT. OK Come to Jianyi for 30 seconds. In fact, the Kuomintang has been saying that if there is a chance, Lai Qingde will be impeached as long as he says to stop the impeachment . This message is absolutely wrong. Let me say one thing. In the eyes of the strike group, the public officials of the Democratic Progressive Party and our local party branches are not even as good as the flanks. If there are problems, we have to help coordinate and solve them. But in principle, they will ask us for advice when they have something . That’s it. OK A Miao, 30 seconds. In fact, this recall will ultimately require the KMT to correct its mistakes over the past year. If the KMT still thinks that it is not okay, I have a majority in the Legislative Yuan, I can do whatever I want, and Lai Ching-te must surrender unconditionally. Even if you recall Lai Ching-te, you must announce that you will stop. From this perspective, no matter how many olive branches President Lai Ching-te extends , domestic politics will still move towards a showdown. The people see this process , and when they feel that the political opposition is increasing, the people will have a sense of responsibility in their hearts , whether they are blue or green. Today is 520, the first anniversary of President Biden’s inauguration , and he also delivered some related speeches. However, under the democratic system, it seems that the recall train is obviously going downhill. What will happen in the future, including between the various camps? Let ‘s wait and see . Thank you very much to all the guests and the audience for watching the news face to face. See you tomorrow. Bye Bye

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