《藍色焦慮？大罷免讓傅崐萁、王鴻薇變謙卑？壓力鍋快爆炸？》【2025.05.26『新聞面對面』】

《藍色焦慮？大罷免讓傅崐萁、王鴻薇變謙卑？壓力鍋快爆炸？》【2025.05.26『新聞面對面』】

Let me start by introducing the special guests we have invited today. The first one on the left is New Taipei City Councillor Zhuo Guanting. Hello, Brother Wu. Hello, everyone . Senior media person Yao Huizhen . Hello, political science professor Fan Shiping. Hello, everyone. On the right, we have Taipei City Councillor Li Boyi. Hello, Taoyuan City Councillor, Reserve Major General , General Beichen. Hello, everyone. Senior media person Kang Renjun. Hello, everyone . Well, how many seats are confirmed for the third level? We all know that it is 31 to something . Today, the media reported that the blue camp has not given up on the so-called recall of green camp legislators , so they themselves estimated that there might be about 6 seats. You heard it right, okay? About 6 seats. Whether it is the two Wus in Taipei or even Tainan like Wang Dingyu, those places have been named. Is it really like this? But 31 , don’t think that 31 is a confirmed number now, because in the past few days, you have heard some strike groups say whether there are additional documents to be supplemented, like in Nantou, some places need to supplement documents or that number. Is it possible that some of the votes below 130 will be eliminated when the Central Election Commission reviews them ? This is still in progress. However, during the process, the strike group is of course worried about whether there will be a so-called cooling-off period before the second and third rounds of voting . But I also heard the strike group members say that there is no need to worry because there will always be people who add fuel to the fire and jump forward with a bomb. Is this really the case? Recently, some of the words spoken by some non-partisan KMT and non-partisan committee members, even some abusive words , are they adding fuel to the fire ? Not to mention Lin Pei Xiang, these things happened during the process. But if I really want to talk about it, remember last Friday, if you have been watching our program for a long time, all the guests last Friday asked a few numbers at the end. One was 31 and the other was 31. How many people will be removed in the end ? OK , now there are probably many people in Taiwan who are wondering how many people will really be removed, especially if there is a by-election at the fourth level. Will that number affect the structure of the entire domestic political arena ? Guanting, you have seen media reports saying that everyone is evaluating all these third-level people who will be removed. 20 seats will be removed in the fourth-level by-election. The Democratic Progressive Party may win 10 seats in the by-election. Of course, for you, I think you must be cautious and fearful in looking at all these numbers. But here, for you to see, including objectively, are there some members of the Kuomintang, such as the media reported that member Fu Kunqi gave me a car. Let me first talk about the general atmosphere in our party . The general atmosphere in our party is now actually everyone is very smart. Everyone knows the political reality and the expectations of the people. We don’t talk about by-elections. This is certain . At this stage, to be honest, it is still the power of citizens. We assist them. You can see that the citizen group has been on the show these days. In fact, they are more insightful than us. They talked about the Democratic Progressive Party. You are Our flank is the main force. That’s right. That’s the tone now . Now, to be honest, the 31 to 0 issue is not accurate. Why? Because whether it’s the end of July or the beginning of August , we’ll see when the actual announcement will be made. Will the third phase of voting be 31? No one knows. Because as you can see, the recall group came out today and said that Ma Wenjun needs more than 1,700 additional documents and You Hao needs 700 additional documents. If it’s impossible for everyone to arrive together and vote together, that means these 31 seats will be divided into two parts. One part will be voted first and the other part will be voted later. There will be a referendum in August for the third nuclear power plant. To be honest, there are many variables. So we dare not say that we are optimistic at the moment. The relationship between the recall group and the citizens is consistent. The second thing I want to say is that I think the KMT legislators have changed because of this big recall. They are adjusting their pace. The first one is, of course, the issue of sending cars. I’ll talk about it briefly. The audience may not have come into contact with the so-called sending cars. In the picture above, what is the concept of sending cars? Bo Yi and I are very clear. Basically, the necessary work of representatives, especially small-time legislators like us, is to go out for neighborhood activities in the morning. We will greet everyone there later. Hello everyone, I am Zhuo Guanting. I wish you all a safe time. That’s it. Then I will take the opportunity to talk about your political achievements and interact with everyone. Shake hands and pass out tissues and fans . It’s probably this situation . The more classic scene is that there are probably only two cars in the place, with a total of 80 people. 80 people is a lot. I said one car, one car, 30 people. As a result, there were 20 assistants and councilors on site . There was also such a situation in the election… General Yu knows very well that we have all voted together, but I will tell you why this is weird. I will tell you the situation in my constituency. There is a councilor in my constituency who looks a bit like the Qing Dynasty in China. The Southeast Mutual Protection Treaty at the end of the Joseon Dynasty . We were very afraid of that. We were very afraid of everyone going to give away cars . Basically, if you give me a gift , I will. For example, Bo Yi and I are from the same constituency. Bo Yi gave me a gift , so should I go too? You said it was during normal times, right ? Now, it’s still early before the election , so the councillors in our district all have a consensus that no one will give away cars . No one will give away cars, and no one will break the rules. Otherwise, everyone will go. Let me first tell you that I have violated martial ethics. I secretly gave away a gift about two months ago . I didn’t really want to give away those two cars. I went to try and see what would happen to others. As a result, I was surrounded by other councillors and scolded by everyone. You said Zhuo Guanting that you don’t follow the ethics of martial arts. So what I want to say is that during non-election periods , the frequency and proportion of people giving away cars are relatively low. The second point I want to make is that he is not Zhuo Guanting, Li Boyi, or General Yu. He is the general convener of Fu Kunqi. What is the concept of Fu Kunqi? Let me tell you about this concept. Fu Kunqi’s concept in Hualien is roughly equivalent to Jiang Wanan in Taipei City and Hou Youyi in New Taipei City. It’s not too much, right? My wife is the county magistrate and I am the only legislator. His concept of giving away cars is like today. One day, the villagers of a certain village in Yingge went out for a trip and suddenly saw Hou Youyi came to give away cars to General Yu’s constituency. In Taoyuan District, Zhang Shanzheng came to give away cars . Li Boyi came to Wenshan District to give away cars. Do you think people would be shocked ? So people later posted the photos on the Internet, which means Fu Kunqi was nervous. Fu Kunqi forced Wang to go to Hualien. Fu Kunqi had to give away cars. This means that he was nervous about his election situation. Secondly, let’s be honest. How are the city government resources and county government resources used? Let’s see why this was protested. The county government held a neighborhood event, which should be an event of the county government. But now I saw a lot of propaganda materials opposing the recall of Fu Kun-chi in the bags of the county government’s neighborhood activities. What did the Hualien County Government say to Fu Kun-chi? They said that this was at their own expense and had nothing to do with the county government. Of course it had nothing to do with it. If it had, then it would be a disaster. But why was your propaganda material opposing the recall allowed to be included in the bags of the county government’s activities? Of course there is a problem of administrative non-neutrality , but why did they do this? Did they know that they would be scolded? They would definitely be scolded, but they had also evaluated it. I would rather post it on the Internet. Brother Wu’s program has been criticized and criticized on the Internet, but have the people actually received this? If they have, then 10,000 yuan will be distributed to all the people to repay the money. Maybe I will be willing to vote against Fu Kunqi’s recall. So Fu Kunqi has calculated this carefully. This is what is happening now. I still want to emphasize that the polls in various cities seem to be consistent. The polls conducted by Teacher Fan are also consistent. Teacher Fan has conducted 5 waves of approval and disapproval of the recall. In various counties and cities, it seems to be 50-50, but the number of people who agree to the recall has increased to 70%. 80% will come out to vote. The voting rate for those who disagree with the recall is only 30%. I think the KMT is now in agreement from top to bottom . That is, if you agree very firmly, I will not touch you. But I will ask those who disagree with me to come out. I hope to urge them to come out. If there are some things that can be avoided, you can avoid them. Look at this picture of Han Guoyu and Fu Kunqi. This is a Xinshe agricultural product promotion event. That is the venue in Taichung. You see Yang Qiongying and some Taichung legislators Jiang Qichen. Logically, Fu, the general convener, should stand in the front. Unexpectedly, he stood at the back. Then when Han Guoyu introduced everyone, Fu Kunqi stood at the back and arrived relatively late. Then Han Guoyu blurted out that Fu, the general convener, has been shy recently, and then the scene was cheered. The whole room burst into laughter. There are two interpretations. One is humorous. Han Guoyu said something unintentional. The other is that some people said it was revenge . Now is the most vulnerable time for Fu Kunqi. General Fu, who is ashamed to see people, was made into an article. So I think that no matter what Han Guoyu or Fu Kunqi say, it will be magnified . It’s the same as Bai Yi. Let’s start with what Guan Ting said just now. The overall attitude of the Democratic Progressive Party in the face of the so-called 31 ratio of the big recall. What about the Kuomintang now? The Kuomintang is now facing the 31 as a whole . It’s just that whether it will really be 31 to a certain extent when it enters the third stage in the end , of course, it depends on what the overall attitude of the Kuomintang will be now . What Guan Ting said just now Is it true that for the KMT, many committee members seem calm on the surface, but in fact, many of their behaviors really make you realize that they are a little panicked. Or just now, I talked about the concept of Chiang Wan-an delivering a car. If this is the case , then even in Hualien , such a situation has occurred. That is to say , the KMT’s attitude now is to start a war. Entering the third stage, there is nothing to say. Just vote as you did before the election. There is nothing to say about delivering a car. I think the next step is to go with the garbage truck. Some people have already gone . I said, Mr. Fu, let me tell you the truth . After entering the third stage, everyone knows what the election strategy is. There is no strategy . It is to burn your candle and burn your life. Hand in hand, let more people see you and you will succeed. So you said that delivering cars in the morning is good . Then I think it is not enough. We have to do garbage trucks and intersections . It is that simple. There is no special skills for elections. You just spend time and energy to meet everyone. You said that Mr. Fu did not deliver cars before and then delivered cars. Is he nervous? I think… There is nothing to deceive. Is that bad? No, I think it is right. Because when you feel nervous, you can face the next election. You know, we all have experience in the later stage of the election. It is willpower because it is really tiring. You get up very early and go to bed very late, maybe for several months . How can you hold on for 3 months with the same fixed movements? You must have the willpower to finish the walk. Now if any KMT legislator still feels that he cannot be voted into the third stage , I think that is dangerous. This is the real danger. I believe that not only General Fu, but every KMT legislator and even our congressmen may go to help them stand at the intersection. Help them to sweep the market, help them to fight the garbage trucks. Next, the blue camp has no capital to split, and the blue camp has no capital to sit there and watch, because I think the recall bill in August will be a life-and-death battle. Because if it is true as we discussed before, if the entire third stage is passed and enters the fourth stage , and the Democratic Progressive Party really has a net increase of more than 6 seats and becomes the largest party in the Legislative Yuan again, and it is more than half, that’s right . If this situation really happens, I believe this will not be a result that the opposition party and the majority of the people would like to see. But now there is a word that I don’t know. I remember that it was from Commissioner Lin Junxian who kept reciting it. Huizhen ‘s big recall cures all diseases. Commissioner Lin Junxian kept reciting this thing. Why? Because since last week, everyone has seen that there are many unfreezing cases. The unfreezing cases are going smoothly during the unfreezing process. I remember that it was Commissioner Cai Yiyu who talked about it on the show last week. He said why the unfreezing case was so smooth because the Kuomintang members were almost gone, and then it passed today and today. The thawing case of more than 200 million yuan of the Judicial Committee was easily passed. So now, many people are saying that if they had known this would happen, why did they do it? The time and space environment had not changed. What was frozen at that time and what is being thawed now? This is a dilemma for the KMT members. I can’t go. Why should I go? Should I continue to block it? After blocking it, the hatred value will increase. If I don’t go , people will ridicule me and say that the big recall can cure all diseases. So now all the KMT members, including, not to mention the pressure of recalling these 31 regional legislators, are facing. I tell you that the 31 regional legislators of the KMT are facing three pressures. The first pressure is of course the recall group. They have now made it from the first stage to the second stage and the third stage , not to mention so they are continuing and now it has become a gathering of all parties, including rust removal. Their headquarters is now about to be established tomorrow, so you know, it feels like it has reached the last stop. So this recall group The power of this civic group will only increase and will be pushed forward. There is no way they will be soft. The second pressure is judicial litigation. We all know that now there are various places in Yilan. The second is the second and third transmissions. So you know that there is a feeling of surrounding the central government with the local areas, and they are pressing forward step by step. So you know that there is a feeling of surrounding the central government with the local areas, and they are pressing forward step by step. So this time, the legislators from the Kuomintang extended the session to July 31st in an attempt to keep the umbrella open before July 31st. So the judicial part will not be pulled on them now. But the third pressure is the most difficult to guard against. What is the pressure of internal strife, right? In the current situation, everyone is in flames, so you will see Wang Hongwei in the Legislative Yuan. Hasn’t she always been Fu Kunqi’s right-hand cheerleader ? Why did Wang Hongwei suddenly go and show off? And it seems that and that Why did Fu Kunqi pour him tea and comfort him like that? Why would Wang Hongwei be in such a situation ? Of course, people say that the cases he was going to schedule were related to Nuclear Power Plant No. 3, and it seemed that he had some promises with Lu Shiuyan or something, so he was not scheduled and was not very happy. But no matter what, we all know that all along, everyone has been talking about recalling someone, and that means recalling Fu Kunqi. So Wang Hongwei’s move is not to make a relevant separation. No, the relationship between me and Fu Kunqi is not what you think. So recalling Fu Kunqi and recalling Wang Hongwei are two different things. So I think in fact, Wang Hongwei’s move is also to some extent saying that she is trying to separate herself from Fu Kunqi. Don’t say separation, but at least it ‘s not as good as before . But this will really have some impact . People will wonder why Wang Hongwei suddenly doesn’t get in Fu Kunqi’s car. Apart from this, you can know how much pressure he is under. Fu Kunqi, who was just mentioned, used to be the county magistrate in 2003. In 2006, he had already ordered all the people in the Civil Affairs Department to help him run red and white invitations. What does this mean? I have my subordinates, I have my hands and my feet, right? Help me run red and white invitations. When can you see this historical picture now? Why is it that over the past decade, people related to his Civil Affairs Department have been detained, detained, investigated, and then resigned, so these people of his can no longer serve him, so he has to go to the front line himself. So when even Fu Kunqi, the King of Hualien, has to come to deliver the car at 6 o’clock in the morning, you can understand how much pressure he is under. But there is another kind of pressure . Wan Meiling, Wan Meiling, didn’t say anything. Now someone broke the news and said that Wan Meiling told others privately that I didn’t do anything about all the problems. They are all black-core. Who is the black-core? Xu Qiaoxin is the black-core. What happened to me ? Now it has become like this . Everyone says it’s not him. I rushed to the front and I was just behind. Now everything has started. So you know that when you do this, the whole pressure cooker inside will explode . Everyone will start to say it’s his fault… So I will try my best to use this method. Can I die with my fellow Taoists? If I don’t die, it’s all others’ fault. Don’t chop me. In addition to this, There are other people, including Qin Huizhu , right? Sister Huizhu, isn’t that strange ? Why do they keep poking at Xu Qiaoxin? The first time he said something like he was obsessed, that’s fine. The second time, they were clearly discussing on other shows why Ko Wen-je and Miao Boya had to go to court, because Ko Wen-je needed to have a voice . From beginning to end, no one mentioned Xu Qiaoxin. At this time, he suddenly said that he was the same as Xu Qiaoxin, he just wanted traffic , so you will know the pressure within the party. To be honest, if Xu Qiaoxin doesn’t leave, how will others have a chance? Xu Qiaoxin is now in her 30s. If she continues to elect legislators like this, then other people don’t have to run at all. So these forces will become the reason why the 31 seats of the committee members are now in danger. So when you are under a lot of pressure and very nervous, you hope to find some people to escort you and help you, but those who are not in the district seem to explode one by one . They should have been bringing oil to put out the fire and bringing water to put out the fire. Right, but it turned out to be bringing oil to put out the fire. So our Long Jiexian is actually the best at using language, especially It’s those slangs. Everyone finds them funny. But this time, everyone can’t laugh because it seems too much like you’re talking about Ryusuke. Will he be hurt since he’s not in the constituency ? He may not be too hurt . Will Luo Tingwei next to him be hurt? I think he may be in even greater danger. So when these people in the region start to wait for you to help, you originally wanted to find someone from the non-regional area to help you put out the fire. Now it feels like adding fuel to the fire. Not to mention Weng Xiaoling , so you know how much pressure there is within the Kuomintang now. It ‘s also because under such circumstances, we just mentioned how many of your 31 seats will be in. Now they say that they have 18 seats with more than 130% of the mail received. So these 18 seats, especially the three girls in the north and the three boys in the central region, the three treasures of Lu Ma , the three treasures. In fact, everyone is watching now , so what are they talking about? The latest news today is that Zhu Lilun actually took the initiative to release a message saying that he said in September that he would not rule out handing over the baton. I think this trick is also true or false. I personally think it should be false. What is he trying to force? He is trying to force Lu Shiuyan to express his position, but now it seems Bai Yi, the words “big recall cures all diseases” are really a bit of a thorn in the side for all of you committee members. Let me tell you, because you can’t block the unfreezing case now. If you do, the DPP will definitely make a big fuss about it . But if you don’t block it, they will also be jealous. Why did you freeze it at that time ? Why did you do it ? Are you all saying this now, right? Let me add that it ‘s not that I won’t block it. Now the blue and white legislators did n’t even attend the unfreezing case. For example, the Judicial and Legal Affairs Committee didn’t attend today. Everyone will ask a question, why did you freeze it at that time? Now because of the big recall, you don’t even want to attend . Don’t see, I ‘ll just let it pass . Big recall cures all diseases. This is stigmatizing our opposition party legislators. There is absolutely no such thing. What should be done is that legislators, no matter which party they are from, must fulfill their obligations and responsibilities. I can only say that the current blue camp legislators said before that you asked whether they would be nervous during the recall process. To be honest, they will be nervous. No matter which color of the party’s representative of public opinion , not to mention the legislators, in the situation of possible recall I believe his heart will not be so calm, so he will go back to the local area to consolidate some local conditions. I think this is something that can be done. That’s why I said that now the blue camp legislators really need to spend more time. You must take care of the things in the Legislative Yuan , but you must also take care of your constituency and your local area, especially those constituencies that are far away from Taipei City , such as Taichung, Hualien, Yilan, etc. To be honest, it is really hard, but I think since you have encountered it and encountered this situation , you should do what you should do and show your best side to the voters. I think this is the best way to deal with it . Renjun now seems to be adding fuel to the fire or he himself may have to be very careful in speaking to all those who are facing recall, especially some Kuomintang members . Everyone is talking about it, everyone is estimating in the media, everyone will count the Kuomintang. No one expected that the hardest-hit area this time would appear in the metropolitan area, especially in Taipei. You said that there are three female members in Taipei, such as Wang Hongwei, Xu Qiaoxin , and Li Yanxiu, because the proportion of each one sent out is about 150%. 160% 170% and similar to this, then there is no need to discuss these things at the third level , and then it is just whether or not they will be impeached. So at this time , the first thing you should do is be careful when speaking. For example, Qiao Xin recently said that we Taiwanese people feel that voting for recall will damage our merits. Is this going to cause coughing? No, it just so happens that it really just so happens… OK… If you say these words, you know it will definitely become the focus of everyone’s discussion , not to mention that now probably many KMT committee members will talk about the troubles of not dividing the districts. Brothers and sisters, if you don’t want to go abroad , it doesn’t matter if you don’t have a plane ticket to go abroad, but like Weng Xiaoling or actually Long Jiexian will talk about that. Of course, he said that everyone should not cut the beginning and the end. Then he was quoted out of context. He didn’t point out any specific people. He just said that if there is someone who wants to smear others, he would say this. But as soon as that word comes out, because we Taiwanese are more honest, as long as you say that someone has a son, it will sound like everyone is wondering why you are scolding people like that. I think the positions of non-regional and regional governments on this matter are different. You said that many people invited Xie Longjie to the stage. Yes, you said that every show must be full. No, sometimes standing on the roadside, there may be more staff than passers-by who are willing to stay and listen. So you said that this kind of thing we think is a slip of the tongue or it should not be said. Actually, this often happens in elections. So, he said today that after he finished speaking, would it trigger a strike group or more anger among the public? To be honest, I am more reserved. What I mean by more reserved is that basically, during the period of time before the recall, from the first stage of the petition to the second stage of the petition , in fact, if you only look at the strike group collecting these petitions, why do they work so hard and exert so much effort ? In fact, I think it has reached a saturation point. The next thing to look at is, before, we all counted you as 10% . If you want to exceed 25%, one person may have to collect one, two, or one or more votes . So they will grab 13 Yes , just arrest one person and you will pass 26. Do you think it is difficult for the blue camp to mobilize? I think for the strike group, they don’t dare to think that this is OK. So you said that you made a slip of the tongue. I remember last week I said here that when you enter the third level and need to vote at the third level, the blue camp will definitely try every means to create hatred. I said that when you enter the third level and need to vote at the third level, the blue camp will definitely try every means to create hatred. They will definitely try every means to talk more and more fiercely, and then the fight will become more and more fierce. Today, they have also started a war with the media. You didn’t come before , right? How could it happen that someone protested and you came? The media said they would sue, and even included Xu Qiaoxin’s statement. In fact, at that time I said that you think Qiaoxin should be fine. Did he deliberately say this? I think he did it on purpose. Do you think he wants to increase hatred ? So the hatred is not to increase himself . So if you keep him in the position, you will accumulate merit. You will think so, right? But do you think this is the fact? It is not the fact. But he whispered, “Don’t do it. If you do this, then what others will get is to say to a certain legislator, “I am a legislator. What will we do if we don’t have a family of seven ? ” You are not a legislator, and your family of seven is the same. So, in fact, the shaping is a kind of good. I actually think that he is mainly speaking to his supporters. After you say that, the group will be angry after hearing this. Those who support Or will his supporters think that if I tell you about that, his supporters will help him spread the rumor. That is what is important. At this stage, do you think that the legislators who are facing recall will try every means to weaken the power of the recall group? No, because it is meaningless. Because their votes have already been sent out, their motivation is probably 80% to 90%. So the only way for them now is to see if they can raise their 50% to 60% to 70%. We need to push for our voter turnout . To put it bluntly, almost all audience friends are interpreting it from this perspective because Zhen Media’s poll is Last week, we found something very obvious. Everyone said that the blue camp’s momentum to oppose the strike was not as high as the strike group , but in fact, this is because we are talking about the general polls we are doing now are conducted in the traditional election way. We look at the overall environment. But if you look closely , that is, the blue and green legislators in this area , that is, when the legislators in this area are green or the area is blue, the voters in that area will reflect it. I think the Zhen Media poll last week clearly found that the blue camp’s momentum to oppose the strike has increased by about 5%. That is, although the momentum of those willing to vote is still higher than the momentum of opposing the strike, it is still higher than the momentum of the recall . The momentum of those who support the recall is higher than those who oppose the recall , but the gap is narrowing. Now there is still some time before the third-stage voting, so there are also people who are more worried. That is, we have reached the second stage. At that time, a DPP legislator once said that after the second stage, what would you say when the second stage comes? The KMT is now beating hard that you are the DPP leading everything, so you have to be very careful when speaking, that is, you can’t mention the party’s involvement in this matter. But at that time, a DPP legislator once said that after the second stage, a certain legislator came to the southern part of the country. What does it matter if you just say the name ? It’s Lin Junxian. What are you doing? Then it’s Lin Junxian . To be frank, he also said in our program that after passing the second stage , he felt that the DPP had an obligation. Why? He said that they had worked hard to conquer the world for a long time , and you, the DPP , just sat there and reaped the fruits of their labor. When it came to the third stage, everyone knew that it was the hardest, and you were still sitting there watching the strike group fight like this. If you didn’t go down , would you have the nerve to take over if you won? If you lost, that was just a coincidence , and in the end, all the anger of the people would backfire on you. He said publicly that he felt that after passing the second stage , of course he added that it was his personal opinion. He felt that after passing the second stage, he felt that the DPP should do this at the third stage , but as you just said , it doesn’t seem to be the case yet. In the current atmosphere, it seems that the Party Central Committee is still unwilling to deal with this matter. It makes everyone feel that there are too many connections. I must say that I have come into contact with some people in the strike group and they have a bad feeling about this matter . So you see, the KMT ‘s hot war is actually very simple. The so-called hot war is to stir up hatred. Anyway, I will do anything with you. But I will say that what we are talking about now is called the Legislative Yuan because this recall is related to the Legislative Yuan. I personally hate this kind of so-called meeting where no one attends. Why? Because there is another thing that is about to happen, which is that the Legislative Yuan will postpone its meeting until the end of July. I have heard some KMT friends say that we have many bills to be processed. There is this case that can be pushed… that case that can be pushed. Let me put it bluntly. In the past, if the Legislative Yuan was discussing a specific bill today, the meeting was not called an adjourned meeting, but an extraordinary meeting, because you have to hold a comprehensive talk meeting first. After the talk meeting, everyone decides which cases or something. There is a certain procedure. You have just given a few examples in the normal meeting process today. And today, there is a 16 million unfreezing case of the National Security Council. It was not passed last time. Do you know why it was not passed last time? They were unhappy that you did not come, so what was the reason for passing it today? I tell you , Wu Zhaoxie did not go either, but the blue and white parties changed. If you don’t come, then you can tell me that I think every budget freeze has its unfreezing conditions. You completely ignore the unfreezing conditions you set at that time , and each budget unfreezing condition is different . As a result, I don’t care today. Today, I saw General Yu, right? He is taller than me. I asked General Yu to freeze your budget by 10 million. What is the unfreezing condition? General Yu is 10 centimeters shorter than me. If he doesn’t meet it , he will never be able to unfreeze it. So what will the final result be? It will be that I will not attend. Think about it. You have done this for several committees. Then you told me that you need to postpone the meeting and asked me why you have to review it today. I think it is an unreasonable situation . So you just mentioned that it is completely reasonable for everyone to return to land warfare and go back. At this stage, we don’t fight air warfare. Air warfare is a very useful thing during elections. Why? Because he wants to urge people who have left their hometowns to return home. They may not be in the local area, so they don’t know what happened. They use air warfare to publicize. But at that time, there was a national atmosphere during the election. Everyone still remembers that there was something called “return to hometown to vote” during these two elections , but recall is not necessarily a recall. Is there such a high momentum to make people from other places come back ? Of course, he knows very well that I must find those who live here because these people may be on the day of voting. He is still in this place. How can you expect it from outsiders ? So you just mentioned the garbage truck drivers. Let me tell you, there are even more powerful ones. Bai Yi, the garbage truck driver, said that what he said earlier is that it will not only deliver the trucks to the garbage trucks. Everyone knows that when the garbage trucks are ready to throw away the garbage, many villagers will come out and greet them, right? The councillors also have to do this … Greeting is too low. Maybe they will help you take out the garbage. There was this in the past elections. You followed the garbage trucks behind and there was nothing. You just asked them to help you. You said, “I will do it for you.” Is this not the case now because there will be less public backlash ? I tell you, there are some parts we don’t have , but there are some parts that do. That’s exactly how it is. Why can I pull one more if I can? What’s so difficult about that ? To put it bluntly, if I get laughed at, so what? I can pull one more. So I’m saying that now, the Democratic Progressive Party may be in trouble because the Democratic Progressive Party has several . The Kuomintang claims to have six . This situation will not only appear in the Blue Camp, but also in the Green Camp. As long as there is this crisis, I think even if he thinks that I may be safe in the second stage, you say that Lu Zhan will not leave, will he not go to the park? OK , but the general now looks like, although there has been a recall from the beginning, Everyone said that this matter should be based on the accumulation of hatred. So Huizhen just mentioned it again. In the past, people talked about recalling someone, that is, recalling Fu Kunqi or something . Later, Hualien became more and more hot. But now someone has raised the point that no matter what, Hualien is hot . Everyone seems to think that Hualien at least bothers him. If he can be recalled, there are many strike groups saying that it would be best if he can be recalled , but at least he will not do whatever he wants. But many people know that the real place to win may be in the metropolitan area, especially in Taipei , especially in Taipei , as I just said. Probably no one thought at the beginning that Taipei was the hardest hit area this time, especially like Wang Hongwei, Xu Qiaoxin and Li Yan So now it seems that the focus of the final victory or defeat is on the metropolitan areas , especially in places like Taipei and Taichung. Of course, everyone can see this year’s big recall trend. I think there is one thing I look at positively, that is, this summer, there should be no Legislative Yuan visiting China. I believe that no one would dare to do so, because one of the biggest trends of this big recall is anti-communism. So if any KMT legislator would go to China to meet with Wang Huning and Song Tao, shake hands , take photos, and check in, I’ll be honest, I admire that person . If he doesn’t become a legislator in the future , he can really go to the other side. Take over as secretary or party committee and be loyal. I guarantee that no KMT legislator will go this year. If they don’t go this year, they won’t go in the future. This is right. So a big recall is not a cure-all. I think a big recall is a big awakening, a big recall is a big anti -communist. If it’s really like this, I think it’s a success and a good thing. In addition, let me tell you, will the KMT legislators be anxious this year? They are very anxious, because we are not running from Mother’s Day to Dragon Boat Festival in the past few weeks. Everyone is running and making rice dumplings. Our contact with these legislators will be longer. You make rice dumplings, but they don’t know how to make them, but I do. It may take them 5 minutes to wrap zongzi, and if they still can’t wrap it well, they will exchange opinions. Are you anxious? In the past, when the city councillors in our area were running around the zongzi market, we would wrap a few and give them to the folks. How emotional and warm. Usually the legislators don’t come. How can the legislators have the time? They are so busy. But they came this year… It’s so warm and cozy to wrap zongzi shoulder to shoulder . Even the voters asked why he came this year. Someone told him that he was recalled. He said next to my ear, “Speak softly. Will he hear me ?” He said, “What’s wrong? Isn’t this true?” You said, “Did he hear me? ” I believe he must have heard him. You must feel uncomfortable when you hear this. You must feel uncomfortable. So I say that the recall must be very hurtful to the representatives of the people. They must be very anxious. And I guarantee you that they will not sleep well every night. Everyone says they have lost weight . Every legislator I met said that they have lost several kilograms… I said, isn’t that good? I would rather not lose weight. That’s very painful. Insomnia and anxiety are very painful. In the past, we liked to talk about one thing in the army , which is to avoid being a disciplinarian and not hitting soldiers. When we were small officers, we really hit soldiers and were beaten. We would also be beaten. Lieutenants would be beaten by majors. You know, it would be the same. So at that time, our political warfare director taught us a jingle. I think it is still very useful for the big recall. The first one is hit on the soldier’s body, hurting the people’s hearts, and laughing in the mouths of the Communist bandits. I believe many people have heard this sentence . The recall group is now called the strike group, which is recorded in the account of the blue committee members. In the end, who will win or lose depends on the people. This was what Committee Member Wang Hongwei said in the Legislative Yuan with Fu Kunqi last week. Everyone saw that this situation will not happen, because no matter how much you discuss and are unhappy, the Kuomintang has always said one thing: unity, unity must be united, and unity must start from the surface. But this is already on the surface. When they are united, they throw the information back and throw it hard. They are extremely unhappy . So what does this matter express? Why is there anxiety ? Because they think they will be recalled. Who started it? Fu Kunqi . All the legislators have the same idea. We have served for so many terms. Lai Shibao has served for so many terms. There are so many senior legislators who have served for so many terms. Luo Mingcai has served for so many terms. No one wants to recall me. Why should I be recalled this term? Fu Kunqi. All the legislators have the same idea. We have served for so many terms. Lai Shibao has served for so many terms . There are so many senior legislators who have served for so many terms. Luo Mingcai has served for so many terms. I have served in so many terms and no one has called for recall. Why should I be recalled this term? I am Fu Kun-chi. This is all the other 30 KMT legislators except Fu Kun-chi. Don’t think about it. If you ask them, they will tell you privately why you were recalled. They are all Fu Kun-chi. Everyone said the same thing. Then I will tell you who is this in our constituency… This is a social network. He said that he met my friend in a certain company in the morning . He said he met Lingling. Who is Lingling? It ’s Wan Meiling. He said Lingling had an innocent face and said that if you want to vote against it , you are actually running away. All KMT legislators are running away. Then he said it’s not It’s my fault. There are black-core people in their party, the Kuomintang, messing around. What does it have to do with me? He is innocent. His services have never been lacking. How can he be punished? He said that I was really soft-hearted at the moment. In fact, this move is powerful. If the Kuomintang legislators want to resist the recall, they must go this way. But someone asked him, I heard him say, “Then don’t you dare to tell him?” You Kuomintang comrades are hurting us and selling us out. What were you doing? He said, “Yes, next time I see him, I will ask him why you raised your hand. Why can’t you not raise your hand? You can not raise your hand . One less vote may save you.” Then he will act cute to him and say that there is no problem with their approach. He will act cute to these men. The chairman of the school is very susceptible to this. But I tell you whether it is useful or not depends on whether the blue and green camps form a confrontation during the third stage of voting. Now the blue camp is a party confrontation in the anti-recall situation. He will not talk to you about Cao Xingcheng or Shi Shuhua. He will not talk about the recall. He will not talk about the recall group at all . He directly points the sword at the chairman of the Democratic Progressive Party, Lai Qingde. He directly points the sword at him. This is Lai Qingde. You are the president. You want the president to be at a high level . It’s a direct confrontation. If the DPP still says this is a recall group when it comes to the third stage of voting, you lose and you have to face it. Because the overall vote of yes or no in the third stage cannot be driven by the recall group alone. You know how strong these people in the Kuomintang are . What do you need to rely on for the third stage of voting? What does it mean to rely on money ? The overwhelming buses, the overwhelming billboards, the overwhelming propaganda, because if you say you need to rely on money , it will scare people . It’s not propaganda , it’s propaganda , and then there will be overwhelming briefings. I tell you, these people have the strength to do it. Of course, there is no need for fundraising. I tell you that he can definitely do it without fundraising . He can hold 300 events until he gets to the point where he can get … I would like to ask about the strike group because he is the only one being recalled . That’s right , he can say everything you just said, including me standing on the roadside and greeting him , including me going to greet the garbage truck or sweeping the market. What should the strike group do? The strike group is a scattered area , so its concentrated attraction for the votes will not be so high. That’s why I said that after entering the third stage, I personally think that there is nothing much to say about the blue camp. It is just like an election , because it depends on you . Yes , in the end, whether you agree or disagree with the recall is directed at you , so as long as you perform well , you can have more contact with the voters . Can we stop this recall? There is another problem . As long as the party against the recall stands up, they are against the recall. I am… clearly against it. But many politicians who want to assist the recall will hesitate and feel embarrassed. Do you want a by-election? You want a by-election. That’s why I said that this attitude should be expressed. Don’t strike. The group was very united in the first and second stages. When you go to the third stage and someone jumps out to help you, you say he wants a by-election and the other says I want a by-election. The two will offset his power . What does Guanting want to do? I must respond. To be honest, the Democratic Progressive Party is now in a state of pressure from both sides. Let me talk about the Kuomintang first. In the past few weeks, the DPP and public officials, including myself, have had some inaccurate words. What has changed in the Kuomintang’s attitude is that they have caught the DPP behind the scenes. If it was us who were behind the scenes, why would we have to spend so much effort to say that it was not us who were behind it? Why do I tell you that the Kuomintang still doesn’t believe this? I think what will not change now and in the future is that we are the assistants. We cannot lead or stop this big recall because it is a movement initiated by a civic group. Everyone seems to be chanting when they hear me talking, but it is really like this. It is just a way of assisting. I think there must be different goals for efforts according to different stages. For example , when civic groups were unfairly suppressed during the second-stage petition, our DPP public officials fully assisted. In order to protect the people’s right of recall, when it comes to the third stage, many people have expectations as General Yu just said, but we are now in the situation. Why do I talk about the pressure from both sides? I mean that many supporters do have a kind of pressure recently, saying that you, the DPP, should quickly stand up and lead with all your strength, right? It’s very interesting. How come our supporters and the KMT are putting the same pressure on each other? So I want to talk about my judgment. This is my judgment. Personally, I think that the main axis of the DPP’s direction will not change until the third stage. We are the assistants. We need to make it clear between the host and the guest. Because if the DPP today becomes like the KMT and becomes really dominated by us, on the one hand, we are no different from the KMT . On the other hand , this is not a movement initiated by citizens. It is a movement initiated by citizens because they saw the pranks of these blue and white legislators , so they think that they should be replaced. This is completely different from our belief that we lost the election and it would be better for the DPP to do it. Everyone, don’t forget why the proportion of people willing to vote to recall these blue and white legislators is so high to this day . In fact, it is precisely because we believe that this is not dominated by the DPP. So I think our supporters should also be careful not to fall into the KMT’s trap. The KMT now very much hopes that the DPP will come out and say, “Look, I really want to say that what I said a while ago was actually not accurate enough. In fact, if you read the original text of my words , I didn’t say that this was dominated by the DPP at all . And the word I used was “save” and later it became “pass”. The two are also different. It was the friendly station host who said it, not me , right? To put it bluntly, this is the subtle point now. Our stance is that we really believe that no one can dominate and no one can stop us , so we will do our best to assist. Let me add one thing . Actually, Hualien and Taipei are two places that the strike group attaches great importance to this time. They are Fu Kunqi and Taipei. I won both of these five seats. The strike group won both face and substance. Can I add something? General Yu just reminded me that Brother Wu just mentioned that metropolitan areas are very important. But don’t forget, I think this time, if we look at public opinion, it means that the general public thinks that these legislators should be recalled. I think I will look at three things . The first one is, of course, the metropolitan areas. Why are all five seats in the metropolitan areas passed by the second level? I believe it is not something like this. In such a place where the blue is greater than the green, it is possible to have such a result. In fact, to be honest, because Taipei City is the center of public opinion and the cyclone, the Kuomintang must be aware of this . That is to say, in addition to the local organization battle, it is possible that the five seats will be very consistent in which direction the wind blows. This is the final possible situation. The first one is when Of course, the metropolitan area is the center of the public opinion cyclone. The second one I think has a high hatred value. I will give you some examples of people with high hatred values. In the end, whether they have or have not, public opinion will also put this pressure on the strike group, the Democratic Progressive Party , or any supporting citizens. This is the second one. The third one I think is Hualien . I think its importance will increase as it gets closer to the third level. Because in the end, no matter whether Fu Kunqi is the main culprit or not, he is the general convener . Although he only has one seat , I think his importance will become higher and higher. Why do I say Hualien is the face and Taipei City is the inside ? If Fu Kunqi recalls the entire strike group, he will feel very happy and have face. Why did I just say that the Kuomintang became like this this time because of Fu Kunqi, so recalling him is called face, but does it make sense for the overall recall activity ? I don’t think it means much. It’s just one seat. But if the Kuomintang does not have more than half of the five seats in Taipei City , 2 to 3 seats, the Kuomintang will lose the inside . What is the inside? The KMT now has only 1 out of 5 seats in Taipei. The DPP once won only 1 seat. The others have not changed and there has been no party rotation. So if the KMT loses 3 out of 5 seats, it means that you lose the inside . In other words, you are not losing face, but the KMT as a whole has changed from iron blue in Taipei … If even this recall campaign can make Taipei turn iron blue and the iron blue loosens, what is lost this time is the inside. That’s why I said that the KMT will definitely defend Taipei in the future. For them, they cannot lose any of the 5 seats . The general just talked about the inside, which may not be simple. If the KMT is in the iron blue Taipei Tianlong people, everyone knows that if the Taipei Tianlong country faces this, I believe it will also be a big warning to Jiang Wanan , so Jiang Wanan will definitely not let it happen. You can also see in the media that Jiang Wanan and Lu Shiuyan will not form a joint defense , including Taichung Taipei must be defended. What is Mr. Fan afraid of? The first one is that you all set fires. The classic example of setting fires is probably Lin Peixiang . He brought his own fire and all the words he said. Now, including what you said about Weng Xiaoling to Long Jiexian in the past few days , everyone has brought it up . That is, all of these things, and Lin Peixiang, because of one thing, and then I will talk about the Internet. That is how everyone started looking for when he went abroad a few days ago and when he started to have a house in his name. Then when he was in the university, when he was a lecturer in the university, all those things , including thesis, were brought out . In other words , what they are worried about is that in addition to him, this will also burn other areas. The Kuomintang also needs to guard against this. Today, someone found Lin Peixiang at the National Taiwan Ocean University in Keelung. He took a course called Business Negotiation. This is his Powerpoint. Of course, we respected the content of the class. There was a question before class, which asked whether you dared to break up with others. Under what circumstances would you dare to break up with others? What would be the follow-up development of the fight between legislators ? Everyone would think that you were breaking up with the citizens of Keelung. You have been talking about the state of breaking up in a series of speeches in the past. Everyone said that the reason why he failed the second stage was because he had completely broken up with the citizens of Keelung. This was also brought up. But I think the content of the class is to respect everyone’s autonomy. I just want to know why he emphasized it so much. I think this will become a vicious spiral that will grow bigger and bigger , which will lead to the current situation of the Kuomintang. From last month to now, we need to see the overall trend. One is what I just mentioned . 31 Kuomintang legislators have passed the second stage. The second is that the Kuomintang has been searched in various districts in the north, central and south. Some have even been summoned for questioning and some have even been detained. I have seen that there are about 17 people in one political party in Taiwan so far, three in Taipei City, one in New Taipei City, three in Yilan , four in Keelung , one in Kaohsiung, two in Tainan , two in Taichung, and one in Pingtung. This is the one who has been detained, and bail is not included. It doesn’t count for bail. I’m just talking about detention . Of course, don’t say that it is unprecedented in the history of Taiwan’s political development. It is very rare in the world. Of course, what the Kuomintang is shouting is that this is political persecution and that Lai Ching-te is using the prosecution to eliminate the opposition party, etc. This is one of their demands. Then we can find that Zhu Lilun’s speeches are getting more and more intense and more and more aggressive. For example, on April 26, they called for anti -green communism and anti-dictatorship . They have already portrayed Lai Ching-te as a dictator and said that the Democratic Progressive Party is the green communist party. Then you see, including on the 17th, when Lai Ching-te accepted an online program that was broadcast on the 17th, he talked about mergers and acquisitions, saying that China is a big company and Taiwan is a small company. If you want to merge You have to put forward the conditions first . Then many people in the blue camp said that this merger is unification. Then Zhu Lilun said that he said Lai Qingde is a real president who sells out Taiwan. On May 19, before May 20, there was a series of operations. Whether it was Zhu Lilun ‘s own harsh words , or the Kuomintang’s death petition , there has been no apology , no punishment , and no investigation so far . In addition, the Kuomintang has been searched. We can see today’s media polls that his favorability is 26 and his unfavorability is 57. Basically, the difference is 31%. The favorability is lower than that of the People’s Party. The People’s Party’s favorability is 29% , and the Democratic Progressive Party is 42%. This means that the Kuomintang has been doing so much for so long and has done so many things , but its favorability has dropped by 3% compared to last month. 3% is already outside the margin of error , and the difference with the DPP is 16%. The DPP is 42%. The dislike rate of the KMT is 26%, and the dislike rate is 57% , which is a difference of 31% . The dislike rate of the People’s Party is still 48%, which is 11% less than the KMT. So I must say that it is nearly 9% less . So I must say that if we look at this poll, the People’s Party has become the second largest political party in Taiwan. Basically, you can talk about the favorability and dislike rate, but we can’t talk about the number of seats. Of course, the DPP’s favorability is still slightly lower than the dislike rate of 2.8%. So from this point of view, the KMT has not gained anything in this wave of operations. Mr. Fan, please put it this way. We often say in the program that the KMT must find a way to block it . That is to say, the process of the judicial investigation, and then the person who was detained and whether there was any copying , and then the Tainan District Prosecutor’s Office came out to talk about the copying situation, and then the District Prosecutor’s Office Come out and talk about the process of being a political party. You have to launch these things , and then you are punished so much. Then you are accused of plagiarism. Tell me, will your favorability be good? This is very realistic. Every time we talk about it on the show, the Kuomintang, including Zhu Lilun, must do everything possible to let the public know that if there is a mistake in the front , just cut it off and admit it. Then start a new second and third stage to fight. You have this person every day. Although you shout judicial persecution , how many people believe it? You said that the principle of proportionality can be discussed , but the Taiwanese people will still feel that making a mistake is a mistake. If it is in this atmosphere, how can your favorability be raised? Tell me , it seems that the Kuomintang is now fighting desperately. Last week, we learned to do a poll. In fact, we did it in Taichung. Nearly 40% to 50% of the people do not accept that this is the so-called judicial persecution. Taichung is because we know that its blue-green territory is full. He should be representative of the whole country . So I think if the KMT continues to hold on like this and keep arguing, I think its favorability will continue to decline. Now everyone should look at Mr. Fan. Tell me, since you are a political science teacher, why does he insist on this and refuse to admit his mistakes ? Can’t Zhu Lilun come out and admit his mistakes? Because I think he is afraid that the Maginot Line will collapse. So I must do something now. I will swear to death to deny this insistence. But in history, the Maginot Line was really useless . Yes, it was useless . It was really useless. It collapsed without anyone even fighting. It should be said that the Berlin Wall was later demolished. Do you have any other comparison? I really can’t think of it. So I really think that if it continues like this, what will happen to the future of the KMT? So today, Zhu Lilun said that he does not rule out handing over power in September. I think he is taking a step back to advance because I think everyone is supporting Lu Shiuyan now because we know that the one who has registered now is Zhuo Boyuan. Zhuo Boyuan is not in the military service and everyone thinks that he is not likely to be the former Changhua County magistrate. There is also Zhang Yazhong. If Zhang Yazhong is elected, I think the Kuomintang will close early, right? He is a deep blue. Another one is the Central Standing Committee member named Sun Jianping. I really don’t know him. Next, everyone is looking at Lu Shiuyan, but I think Lu Shiuyan ‘s attitude is very ambiguous now , including whether she is willing to wholeheartedly support the recall of Luo Tingwei, Liao Weixiang and Huang Jianhao. At present, she is not willing to do so . So we saw Luo Tingwei lying in Huang Kuo-chang’s arms and crying that his mother had abandoned us. I think what Lu Shiuyan is thinking. Lu Shiuyan is actually an actuary. I think he should be better at statistics than Zhu Lilun because Zhu Lilun has a doctorate in statistics and he is also calculating. If I continue like this, the first one, if two of these three people are recalled, Or if one of them is recalled, will it affect my future prospects ? Should I help or should I help? But if he doesn’t help, the blame will be put on him. That’s right. If he doesn’t help, but it’s something I didn’t manage, you say you want to blame me. I didn’t directly participate . Let’s divide this into two ends, offensive and defensive. Bo Yi, one is how you are going to find a way . I just talked about favorability. I said that when a case is handled and it has been handled all over the country, the favorability will never rise significantly. How are you going to deal with these things ? How are you going to cut off this tail? The second one is that there are reports in the media just now, such as Wang Hongwei’s district. Wang Hongwei’s district was originally Jiang Wanan’s constituency, so including this time, it can be seen that the white camp must be a very important force for the Kuomintang. For example, the white camp’s legislators will accompany Wang Hongwei there, and Zhenyu will accompany him. This means that the blue and white camps will definitely fight hand in hand and heart to heart in the future . The media may even have the so-called four pillars of the opposition. If the four pillars of the opposition are counted, they are Jiang, Lu Han and Huang . Huang Kuo-chang is one of the four pillars, so the blue and white camps are indeed mixed together. That’s right, first . The first issue is the judicial issue. From our perspective, we feel that there is a real difference in the strength of the judiciary between the blue camp and the green camp, so we strongly condemn this matter. But I also have to say how to reverse the public’s thinking. Is there a judicial issue? I think we need to change the battlefield. We need to skip this battlefield first and find some bills, whether it is livelihood bills or other bills, to change the battlefield so that the middle-class voters can feel that they are being taken care of and cared for again. This is very important because it is almost impossible to win if you keep fighting on the same old battlefield. If you fight on the same battlefield, you will only get yourself stuck deeper and deeper. To change the battlefield , we need to go to the next step. Let’s talk about whether Lu Shiuyan will be frugal or not. I personally think this is not a question of whether it is frugal or not. Normally, I know that none of my soldiers can be lost. Mayor Chiang Wan-an’s five seats in Taipei City, to be honest, if they are really lost, it is not about whether there is a difference in strength, but a big difference in momentum. That is to say, I brought out my soldiers at that time , but now I can’t keep them. It always sounds bad for the next position. So for Mayor Lu, you said that it seems that it is not very useful at the beginning. Because I just said that the situation in the first and second stages is different. When you enter the third stage, you must go all out. I can guarantee you that, including street campaigns, Mayor Lu Shiuyan will definitely agree with Chiang Wan-an. This is certain, because the election situation is not good. I just accompany him to urge votes against recall. It ‘s that simple. Lu and Chiang are actually very simple. Next, Mayor Chiang Wan-an will definitely stay in Taipei City to run for mayor. There will be no situation of leaving halfway. I can guarantee this because those who left before were not very good. You are talking about whether there will be a 2028 situation. Lu and Chiang’s pairing means that this will not happen, absolutely not. Mayor Wan-an will definitely finish this time because some people have started discussing these, right? Some people brought up his name and said that it is not certain. He will definitely be re-elected and will finish it. This is a certain thing . Sorry… Then Mayor Lu will undoubtedly not be re-elected. So whether Mayor Lu will compete for the position of the leader of the Kuomintang next , to be honest, I dare not say it now, but I must say that there are indeed many people. Party supporters expect Mayor Lu Shiu-yen to compete for this position because I believe that the chances of Mayor Lu Shiu-yen running for the Kuomintang in 2028 are quite high. Since it is quite high, do we need to be the party chairman first and then organize some things? I believe that for many Kuomintang supporters, including party members, this is what they expect. Bo Yi, we just talked about the four pillars and the three pillars. We can imagine that Lu, Chiang and Han are probably the three most popular people in the Kuomintang now, and then Huang is one of your four pillars. He is the chairman of the People’s Party. So now he is so important that he must be among the four pillars of the Kuomintang. In the future, no matter whether it is propaganda or the process of winning over , Huang Kuo-chang of the People’s Party will play a very, very, very important role. Let me put it this way. If Chairman Huang Kuo-chang is listed as one of our four pillars , it means that the situation of our Kuomintang is not very good. Otherwise, how could it be like this? This is a fact. I cannot agree with you more. Forget it. Let’s not talk about it. The fact is that if the Kuomintang itself is in a good condition, it will not be in the current situation of 31 to 0 or several to 0. OK Brother Wu, I think the KMT’s death train is still what kind of death train it is. It is not really driving this death train to continue on the road to death. I want to talk about the fundamentals of this matter. After listening to Bai Yi’s complete discussion just now, if this is the mainstream opinion of the KMT , my personal opinion is… No, it should also be… There is no review and no reflection . What I mean by review and reflection is that you should think about one thing in the past year or so that will cause such great public resentment today . If even a blue place like Taipei City has 5 second-level seats, the KMT should deal with it. If we look at this matter rationally For example, the first one is about the cooperation between Fu Kun-chi and Huang Kuo-chang. Does public opinion support or oppose it? The second one is about the Kuomintang led by Fu Kun-chi, which tends to be more extreme, whether it is leaning towards China , or some power expansion bills in the country , or the random budget cuts. Should they reflect on these things? I think the Kuomintang can handle this matter internally , but to this day, what I regret most is that in the face of such a huge wave of recalls, the Kuomintang has not reviewed or reflected on this matter . What is the strategy they adopted? Their strategy is that blue plus white is greater than green. So I added Huang Kuo-chang. We have the king and queen. In the end, after I win you , I don’t care if you agree to the recall. I will push up my votes against the recall. Why is Xie Longjie such a smart person ? Xie Longjie is fluent in Taiwanese. He uses The word is so precise. He would say that having a son is not good. Then he would say that this is a reminder from the elders to the children. Sorry, this is not right. For us insiders, this is to stir up hatred . Xu Qiaoxin also talked about the theory of merit at the same time. These two, one in the south and one in the north , are unusual. In addition, Lin Peixiang’s recent remarks, the Kuomintang’s current strategic goal is to link up the hatred of the Democratic Progressive Party and even the pro-Taiwan incident and the media reporter interview. That is, I don’t agree with the recall of XXX, I can come out. This is the first major strategy. The second major strategy is why I said that there is no reflection. I think the Kuomintang is still pondering one thing. I even feel that many legislators in Taipei are still calm because they think Taipei is a constituency where blue is greater than green. As long as I am in In the constituency where blue is greater than green , let the supporters of the Kuomintang and the People’s Party come out, and I can crush those who want to recall me. This is an attitude of no review and introspection , so I said the death train. If today is normal, what I said is that there is reflection and review, which means that in the past year or so, we have indeed done some things in the Legislative Yuan . When some of our behaviors are outrageous, what I have to do is very simple. Replace Fu Kunqi or restrain Fu Kunqi, Weng Xiaoling, and shut up. Lin Peixiang, you guys should be more restrained in your words. Xie Longjie should not add fuel to the fire. This matter is the most important issue that the Kuomintang can restrain, and Chu Li-lun. So, what is the final result? Sister Huizhen said this is the insider’s talk. The final result is the key to Lu Shiuyan’s attitude. I have a view that is a little different from Bo Yi. I think Lu Shiuyan will not do it before the third-level vote to recall. Use all your strength. Sister Huizhen said this is what an expert says. The final result is the key to Lu Shiuyan’s attitude. I have a view that is slightly different from Bo Yi. I think Lu Shiuyan will not use all her strength before the third-stage vote to recall. Lu Shiuyan and I have fought against each other , not him but his team. Lu Shiuyan has fought for many years. If there is F3 who wants to protect him today, he would have stood up long ago. How could you see it? When I saw Lu Shiuyan come out for an interview, I don’t talk about politics during non-official hours. I have been talking about politics for the past six years. I won’t talk about it at this time . There is only one person waiting. If these few people are recalled or the entire final situation is recalled, many people will settle accounts with Chu Li-lun in the future . Everyone will take the initiative to give Lu Shiuyan a golden bell iron cloth shirt because everyone thinks that the only hope of the Kuomintang in the future is Lu Shiuyan , so he can cut ties with this OK Let me talk about this. Of course, the KMT is reflecting on what it did not do well in the first and second phases of the petition. The KMT should have reflected on what has happened and it is now in such a bad state . But I want to report another thing. I want to report another thing. It seems that more than half of the people think that the KMT did something wrong. Now it seems that only 10% of the people think that the KMT did something wrong. These are two different things. You are now talking as if the KMT has lost all the elections and has been recalled and failed to win the by-elections. The KMT only won 5 6% support rate has reached 2008 when the DPP was in favor of another election. No , it is only 10% in the second phase of the recall. You think that this 10% means that all Taiwanese people have the same idea as you. I don’t know if it can be equated. I don’t know , but at least from my perspective, we usually meet many supporters who don’t have this idea. He thinks that the KMT is doing things for the people by deleting the budget , including freezing the budget. So I said that the KMT is of course reflecting on it. Why is it unfreezing now ? Yes, it is unfreezing now. Isn’t it strange? Unfreezing is supposed to be unfrozen. We can’t keep it frozen forever. It’s just that he didn’t come to the scene. I think that should be discussed. No matter what you did as a legislator at that time, You should come to the meeting now. This is a responsible attitude. I think all the legislators of the blue camp must review this. There is no doubt about it. Let me add one more thing . Who said the four pillars ? It was not said by the blue camp themselves. It was not said by the blue camp themselves. This should be everyone’s speculation . It was Han, Lu , Chiang and Huang, right? Why not Han, Lu, Chiang and Zhu? The chairman has excluded him now. There is no him… so no one from the Kuomintang has come out. According to Lu Shiuyan’s personality, there should be four pillars. I don’t want to talk nonsense. I want to put the chairman in. Logically, Lu Shiuyan should say five pillars, okay? Five pillars. A table with five legs is the most difficult to sit on. The one in the middle is the most stable, okay? I tell you, if you continue to do it, it will have six legs. The five-legged table is the most difficult to sit on. Why do you know that when we are in the wild, whether it is a mine observation machine or a mortar observation device, they all have three legs. Ours is a pentagon, not five legs. Let me tell you why there are no four-legged tables in the wild. The four-legged table must be very flat. That’s why I said that the four pillars are just a forced combination. It’s a forced combination. I dragged Huang Kuo-chang in. I will talk about the four pillars again. No one from the Kuomintang came out to refute it. Even Yang Zhiyu, who was at the level of fighting cocks, didn’t say anything about the four pillars. Where do you put Zhu Lilun ? No one said anything. But I just said that I will first help the audience friends to explain the terms. You probably know the four pillars and the three pillars. In fact, the most common one is the three pillars. In fact, you know that the pillar is a pillar or something. But people who often play and watch baseball know it best because this is the Japanese term “hon pillar”. It is what we call giants in Taiwan. It refers to this meaning. So if you look at all the baseball teams in Japan , if you can find three giants in one team , it is called three pillars. So many teams in Japan hope to have It’s enough to recruit three pillars. The most common thing is three pillars. Very few teams can recruit four pillars. That’s called four giants on the same team. This is a term in Japanese baseball. It’s brought to Taiwan. Anyway, it doesn’t matter. The three pillars and the four pillars mean three very strong and four very strong. One can stand up to the sky, okay? Zhu Lilun should be the roof , okay? I can only say this because the four pillars didn’t put him in. The barrel hoops are different. In any case, he must have five pillars . Don’t say five pillars, okay, it can be changed to five pillars. No matter how many pillars, as long as there is one, we can hold it. We don’t even need to discuss three pillars and four pillars. The biggest trouble that the Kuomintang is facing now is that Xiaoping talked about it in our program. When he talked about it directly, I was a little surprised. He directly named them because the party seemed to have issued a military order , which was to remove the DPP’s Wu Peiyi and Wu Siyao. So the first one cannot have such some interactions with them , or even sign some petitions, including how many copies a member of parliament should have , at least 5,000 Xiaoping directly said in the program that there are no village heads from the Kuomintang who are close to other people and all that. And today the media reported it again. And now because it is almost the Dragon Boat Festival, there are many activities. The village head of the Kuomintang was the strongest village head on the surface last time. Now it is another village head and there will be more and more. So for the Kuomintang, it is the first military order from above . Now the two sides are fighting. What’s going on? The military order has been issued but no one listens. I remember that in 2018, the Kuomintang had the strangest phenomenon . All those who came out to run for village head did not hang wheel cakes or the Kuomintang logo . At that time, they said that if you don’t hang it, I will punish you according to party discipline . Later, these village heads simply used independent candidates to run , and I tell you that they all won with high votes. The election is OK , so what are these village heads going to do next year? They want to be re-elected . Who has the resources and the power? Who can I rely on for re-election? Village heads are like this . You think that a village head needs a lot of votes . He may have 50 or 30 votes and then someone else will be the village head. That’s how it is . The difference between them may be 50 or 30 votes. Unless it’s a martial arts world where one person comes out to elect another , but there are not many. You asked these village heads whether they want green votes, white votes, or blue votes. Of course they do. So if everyone knows that he is from the Kuomintang, he will of course attract some green votes so that he can be re-elected. For these village heads, do you think it is more important for the Kuomintang to be strong or for him to be re-elected ? His re-election is more important. Just like the 31 legislators of the Kuomintang who are facing recall now , is it more important for me not to be recalled or for the Kuomintang to be strong? If you want me to tell you directly, it is more important for him not to be recalled. So now the KMT is grasping at floating wood, you know? Every legislator, including the legislators who will be elected as village heads next year, are all grasping at floating wood. If this is the case, Lai Huizhen is, so for them, what should I do? I even gave a military order, but you ignored me . What’s more, where I didn’t give a military order, it’s terrible. Now we are facing what Bai Yi just said is the third level. The third level is a head-on fight. For the KMT, this is the case. But if you only look at the village heads of Wu Peiyi’s place and his platform , and the likes, and all of that , and the other district is Wu Siyao’s place. Wu Siyao’s place looks like a salmon reply, all of that, but these two districts have always been big I think if we want to recall the DPP members, they are more likely to pass the second stage , right? These two places have encountered many problems. The media also said that we need to have 6 seats, which is even more difficult. If we can’t even get 2 seats, we can’t even break an egg, and you still have 6 seats. So you can see one thing from here , that everyone will think that the whole big recall or why there is such a big recall wave, many people will say that there is something wrong with Fu Kunqi’s line, as if the whole stalled train was led by Fu Kunqi, but if you think about who made Fu Kunqi such a leader in the Legislative Yuan, wasn’t it Zhu Lilun? That’s why many people are saying what Zhu Lilun wants. There are many anti-Zhu, which means the KMT’s own internal struggle to overthrow Zhu . Now everyone is talking about You have a large-scale search and detention everywhere. Who gave the order, right? Many party offices were searched. If there was any involvement at that time , was there really plagiarism or something… Who gave the order during the process ? Now all party offices have it . Whose orders did the party offices follow? I use logic to judge. Has the entire case been handled by the central government? No, because it has been handled to the central government of the opposition party, especially the party chairman . It is a huge event. It is the largest opposition party. So now the question is why they dare not act rashly . In addition, they dare not touch the legislators now because the umbrella of protection has been opened. But I tell you that Zhu Lilun is amazing. He told you at this point in time that he is happy to see everyone take over. He said that he is willing to hand over the baton. Then who will come out? He will tell you now . Who will come out? So far, from today’s news to now, has anyone heard that Lu Shiuyan is going to come out? No, why am I the one who runs a restaurant and I am in charge of the kitchen ? Some people have had diarrhea after eating at the restaurant , some want to sue, and some say you have food safety issues. You say at this point in time that you think my cooking is not good enough, you think I don’t want to run the business, and you want someone else to come. The problem is that you are halfway through, who is going to take over? Who has the guts to take over? If Lu Shiuyan now says that she will run for party chairman, then will she have to bear all of these things that happened before ? Will she have to bear all of these things? So it will form a very strange situation. Everyone hopes that Zhu Lilun will get out as soon as possible , but when Zhu Lilun said that he would hand over the baton, no one really expected him to stand up. Lu Shiuyan did not stand up at this point in time. Then according to the chronological order , the recall vote is in July . Now it is said that the end of July, and the KMT’s party chairman vote is in the end of September. So at this point in time , isn’t it right, it forms a very strange vacuum period , and everyone knows that it is not easy for you to take the party chairmanship at this point in time . If you don’t want to, then Zhu Lilun will say So what’s going on now ? Is Lu Shiu-yen meaningless without anyone else ? There’s no way. If I continue to lead, it will become like this, you know? So it was just mentioned that the KMT did not reflect. I think it’s not that the KMT did not reflect , but there is no way to kick Zhu out at this point in time , because they are now in a situation where war is everywhere. If Zhu Lilun really came out at this point in time , for example, Lu Shiu-yen wanted to make a move, then I think it might be even more disadvantageous for the KMT to change the chairman at this time . Speaking of Lai Yi-ren, I think it’s ridiculous. Anyway, Lai Yi-ren wrote a lot , thinking, okay, then what is your role? He is not the leader, right? He is not the backup leader. The most interesting thing is that he is not the sender because the sender must sign and agree in the first stage before he can send the document. So he is not even one of these three roles. He wrote a long article, and then I thought it was too ridiculous that he had to do that in the end. What is Zhan Jiawen ? Zhan Jiawen is the backup leader. He is the backup leader. He is willing to come out in the end and carry on. The question is this . So they have sent in the consent form now… and the backup leader has been confirmed. It is confirmed that he is the one . Now it seems that it will be reviewed on June 7. The Central Election Commission needs to check again. Yes, it needs to check again. So just from the two seats you have named, one is Wu Siyao and the other is Wu Peiyi. Wu Peiyi has done so well that even the grassroots village chiefs voted with their feet and said to you, “You say yours, but I support him.” Then the other leader you named also jumped ship and ran away . There are a lot of things. So you can’t successfully send these two to the second stage. What’s more , all you said was in vain. But Teacher Fan, you see, Bai Yi also said that because the backup leader, Mr. Zhan, has agreed to be the leader, right? OK Okay, so when he agreed, it looked like this person wanted to fight directly. To him, it was direct. When he was sure that he was going to be the backup leader, of course, he looked at the final approval letter from the Central Election Commission. He said directly, “Ba Yao means to strike back Lai Ching-te.” Obviously, he directly said that I don’t know if the main axis of the Kuomintang in the future will be like this. Then there is a question that must be clarified. Why are there always rumors about money ? The strike group is also very angry. The strike group has been saying that they want to sue . And now because Cai Bi-ru is talking about the 2 million issue, after he finished speaking, he said that he heard from Li Xiaoliang. Li Xiaoliang said that he heard from Ge Rujun . But when I saw it in the media at that time , Ge Rujun did talk about the 80,000 thing. He didn’t say 2 million. He didn’t say 2 million and said it was a media report. Teacher Fan, can you explain what the situation is? Because you can’t just talk about money. Why did the general just say that the third level needs money ? I will definitely say what it means. The general will say that it is propaganda and venues . You must spend some money on these things . So when you talk about this, you must have evidence to be able to say it. Of course, I think that as a non-partisan KMT member , Ge Rujun claims to be an AI expert in big data and he is an assistant professor at the Taipei University of Science and Technology. You have to produce proof. He claims to be an AI expert in big data and he is an assistant professor at the Taipei University of Science and Technology. You have to produce proof that you are studying science. Otherwise, people will ask Ge Rujun where did you hear that from and he will shrink. Li Xiaoliang is now playing the game of passing the message when we were young. The topic that was passed later seems to be completely different from the topic heard at the beginning. In the end, a goose came out. So I think that if you want to accuse someone in this matter, you must have evidence. And what you are doing is tantamount to throwing dirty water. For the strike group, they will feel insulted. They will increase the motivation to recall the KMT and add fuel to the fire. So I think that as a non-partisan KMT member, Ge Rujun, you should not say anything. What you said is only making the 31 KMT legislators more anxious. I must say that if there is really money today, it will definitely There will be a lot of news coming out. Why are we not worried about the lack of money but the inequality ? Why do you get 80,000? I stand at the intersection longer than you every day. Why do I get 50,000? Today , the sun is bigger, so I should get more money. The dispute will definitely come out. The truth will come out . You can’t cover it up. Any company, right? Why are we paid differently for the same work ? There will be protests , not to mention such a loose strike group. And there are so many strike groups and so many people in Taiwan. If you really have money to leave, there will definitely be some disturbances. Someone will report it. Because I am jealous and I don’t get enough. So I think this is a very common sense judgment. So I think that until today, has anyone jumped out to say that I got too little or I think I should get more or Lao Cao was not kind to me and gave more? I talked about Cao Xingcheng, but no one did. So I think the accusation made today is the same as before. The Kuomintang has not admitted its mistakes , has not reviewed, and has not investigated . Until today, it is still saying that the strike group took money. This is ineffective. I think that today’s national If the party says that if I have a few people now, I think there is a risk in the strike group. First , can the enthusiasm last until the end of July? I saw that this week , it seems that the strike group is going to set up a headquarters. They have set up a headquarters, but they have started to do health exercises. The meaning is not to let the fire go out, and then keep it warm all the way … But I don’t know whether it can be kept warm. I think it should be the end of May , June, and July . The vote will not be held until the end of July. In addition, the attitude of the Democratic Progressive Party just now is that we are still maintaining a distance from the strike group. If this is the case, will this movement reach the third stage ? I don’t know what the voting situation will be . Then, if the Kuomintang is really impeached at that time , for example, there may be 10, 7, or 8. In any case , I think Zhu Lilun will resign as chairman in August . After resigning as chairman, it is very likely that Lu Shiuyan will be the mayor because everyone is calling on him to come out to save the party. If there is a by-election in September, is it possible that Lu Shiuyan will be the mayor on the one hand and fight a national by-election on the other hand? This is a big problem for the election campaign because Lu Shiuyan herself does not have such a high level of experience in party affairs, and she has never been the party chairman. Then the entire party organization must be replaced. That is, all the people who have come over in the past few years must be replaced. OK, a new team is going to come for the by-election. Can they fight immediately ? Then will the result of the election cause a change in the seats in the entire Legislative Yuan ? And the Democratic Progressive Party, of course, I think if the Democratic Progressive Party cannot get 6 seats in the end , I think first, if the Kuomintang is still the largest party, the Kuomintang will be more arrogant, because I am equivalent to the trial of the indestructible bigger tail. I have become the big tail, and the Democratic Progressive Party will be more difficult to move in the Legislative Yuan. And this will directly impact Lai Ching-te’s position . So I think if there is a by-election, the Democratic Progressive Party will definitely find the strongest one to run and be determined to win. OK , so I think from now on, from June to September, these three months, I think Taiwan’s political situation will fall into a very turbulent state , and there will be a lot of new changes. OK Bai Yi: You can’t issue orders like orders from above. You are facing all these things while you are already at war. What are you going to do? Let me take a look at this picture first . If I am not mistaken, because I don’t know the actual situation, this should be an activity organized by the village head. At the village head ‘s activity , he will introduce anyone who comes . It doesn’t matter if he supports someone from another party. You said it was Wu Peiyi who came up. When the DPP legislator came up, he would also introduce the KMT legislator . So, using this picture, the KMT village head then supports the DPP legislator. This picture is too much. This picture is too much . You said you supported him before . That is indeed support for him. But I personally think this picture is okay because for the village head, there is indeed no blue or green votes during the election. Whichever politician comes up, he will be very friendly and polite to introduce. This is certain , but of course I must also say How will the KMT deal with this recall or the two Wu seats we are targeting? At present , it seems that things are going smoothly. At least the backup candidate has been found. The next candidate will be sent in. As for Wu Peiyi, the situation I heard is not optimistic because Li Xiaoliang keeps coming out. Last time he said 6,000 copies , and this time he said that if you listen to the number, you will feel that it is still a long way from that. Then Xiaoping said in the program that he had set up a stall for a whole morning or so and received two or three copies. Now they have to climb the stairs of each house, knock on the door and ring the doorbell, and then ask people if they want it before they can do it. We can see if we can receive some petitions. We should have done it a long time ago. I said that we can do it in the first stage because the number of party members in each district is not limited to this number. I can just go through the party member list one by one and make a phone call. In fact, we can do it a long time ago. That’s why I said that we should reflect on the first and second stages. Of course, the Kuomintang should reflect on it. So I said, no matter what , the first and second stages have been passed. What’s next, whether it’s Pei Yi or Wu Siyao , or other counties and cities, including what you said about the indigenous committee members, etc., I think the Kuomintang should use this time to rush as much as possible and submit as many as possible , and hope to break through the duck egg situation at the last minute. Because if we don’t break through the duck egg, I personally think this is not a very glorious number. It’s really not good-looking. But no matter what, we have entered the third level. Now the KMT legislators have to prevent being recalled. This is the most important aspect. We hope to recall the other party , and on the other hand, we have to defend ourselves. I believe that both the legislators themselves and the heads of counties and cities will regard preventing being recalled as their own business. Because if unfortunately our New Taipei City, Taipei City , or any county or city legislator is recalled, for the entire KMT, whether it is the fourth-level by-election or the county and city head election next year , I personally think that the momentum will be There is a great harm to Lai Renjun . Of course, for the Kuomintang, these situations you are facing are not the situation on the first day. Why do we have to borrow the heads of the village heads to use it? Because it is very simple. Because their subordinates are like this. What KPI do you ask me to deliver? How can I get the bid? Our own people don’t support the councillors. Of course, I am not saying that Xiaoping is shirking responsibility . Xiaoping has said many times how many copies of his responsibility area he has . Didn’t he also shout out 10,000 or 20,000 or something? But the point is back to why I want to do this. You said that it is very simple for Zhang Sigang in Shibei. He ran for election last time. If he was pulled out, if he really succeeded today, I don’t think the next one will be pulled out. Others in the KMT will say that they will also come out to fight . So Si Gang must be on the front line. But if you put the same conditions on the local councillors in Zhongzheng Wanhua District, let me tell you a story. Just look at the KMT, which was ordered to be recalled by Zhu Lilun. I would like to ask how many senior KMT councillors are standing on the stage. To put it bluntly, there is no Wang Zhibing , but not many. Wang Zhibing has other senior councillors. Everyone should help and speak on the stage . Everyone must keep their face on the stage because Gang Boyi said one thing, which is that the most realistic people also need to socialize and vote for themselves. You said that the village head will share with you. What about the blue and green parties ? He can get as much as he can because there are only a few votes in one party. Why should I go for a recall at this time and put myself at the forefront of hatred ? These grassroots people will not want to do this. So you see the Kuomintang. I have always wanted to laugh at the four pillars you just mentioned because Brother Wu said it very incisively . People in the baseball team have a chance to win because they have the three pillars, Ichibongi and Nibongi, over there. I said that if you deduct the pillar of Huang Kuo-chang, the votes that the other three pillars can mobilize are not the same. The votes that these three people mobilized are just these votes. And he might not be able to do it well. You said that today he Separately, you see, it was very interesting just now. Chiang Wan-an in Taipei and Lu Shiu-yen in Taichung hoped to attract the whole country by using Han Kuo-yu . The problem is, how many votes can these three people get ? No matter how hard they try, it’s nothing. If you want to rely on Lu Shiu-yen and Chiang Wan-an today, you might as well rely on Han Kuo-yu. When Han Kuo-yu ran for president, he was so high-spirited. So they want to pull in a pillar, of course it’s not my kind. Only if I can pull that one can I have a solution. So why does the Kuomintang have to cry while hugging Huang Kuo-chang ? You said Luo Tingwei, that’s right. I’m telling the truth. In Lu Shiu-yen’s eyes, Lu Shiu-yen doesn’t say anything. People around her will How do you say it? Do you know how hard Lu Shiuyan pushed them up ? Luo Tingwei saw Huang Kuo-chang say that if it wasn’t for Ko Wen-je’s recommendation , he would have been elected thanks to Ko Wen-je’s recommendation. My God, you should have gone to the People’s Party. What are you doing ? The real difficulty of the Kuomintang now is actually the same as that of the village chief, because the amount of people I can mobilize has actually reached this stage, so why do the councilors have to take drastic measures ? Sorry, so why do these legislators have to take drastic measures? He must do everything he can to let these people know that he is sorry… The main target is still on my side, okay? Everyone else, please come in and take a look But I still think that for the KMT facing this situation, where is your main battlefield? You just mentioned Zhu Lilun. I actually think that statement is quite interesting. He hopes to hand over the baton to you, Ko Wen-je. Ko Wen-je specifically said that he thinks Huang Kuo-chang can be the party chairman. That’s what it means to hand over the baton. If the KMT chairman is to be elected, then you are not elected. What baton do you want to hand over? How do you want to make it look like you have to list your political achievements in detail? And the funniest thing is that in that interview, Zhu Lilun clearly said that he would cooperate with the People’s Party in the future. He clearly said that he would cooperate with the Blue and White Party in the future. Then I would like to ask the next party chairman, how are you going to dig a hole for him to jump into ? How are the county and city heads going to cooperate… The president can have a president and vice president cooperate, but where is the cooperation between county and city heads ? The county and city heads are the mayors who are elected. After the county magistrate is elected, I want to find someone to be the deputy mayor. The deputy county magistrate is my power . How can there be such a joint model ? There is only one way. The Kuomintang will let the regional counties and cities go. Only when I let them go will there be space . That is, I will completely let go of that area. But is it that simple? After the county and city heads let go, what about the councilors? Will they collapse ? Councilors , do you let them go ? Do you really think he can still be able to do it? Zhu Lilun really thought that I could copy the model of Hsinchu back then. The Hsinchu model has killed people. Even now, looking back, I think the cakes that Zhu Lilun painted today are actually, to be honest, for those who are behind and for those party chairmen, I have made it clear that you will be recalled. Before the situation is over, no one will come out and say that they want to run for party chairman. Now it seems that I don’t know why Huizhen was so crushing this time because of the recall. To some extent, it must be related to the original general budget. So everyone will also look at the first unfreezing case. The other one is the matter of unified deletion. Although in the program, the last time it was member Cai Yiyu and member Lin Junxian, every member of the Democratic Progressive Party came and jumped up and down and asked why they deleted the counties and cities of their green camp , and then deleted so many. Member Lin Junxian also joked that the proportion of Kuomintang legislators in the county and city should be used to decide how much to delete. So if it is about unified deletion , the people must care about money the most . Is the Executive Yuan going to get the upper hand after you delete it like this ? Since you want me to delete it, it doesn’t matter. Then I will delete the local funds. Anyway, when you deleted my unified funds, you also took this. So many, I will delete them now, is that right? But the blue camp’s counties and cities will definitely be jumping up and down. I’m telling you, in fact , it’s a little bit of a knot in the green camp. What kind of knot is that? Of course, this time the blue and white camps are working together to delete them. I can understand the Executive Yuan’s intention. The Executive Yuan thought that if they cut my central government but I don’t cut the local governments , the people won’t feel pain. If the people don’t feel pain , there’s no way to push for a big recall . So they used this method. Of course, it’s understandable that in politics, it’s okay for everyone to share and empathize. You said that Guan Ting didn’t know what to do . It doesn’t matter. You can slowly make up for it later, and then you can empathize. So I think it’s understandable that the Executive Yuan may have such an idea , so of course it will be deleted. But the problem is that if you delete it, the green camp’s, including Kaohsiung City , Pingtung, and Tainan, all have more than 5 billion 51 52 There are more, but less, probably around 4 billion or so deleted. The point is that you didn’t inform them in advance. You were about to announce it, but you told them by fax the day before . I was thinking, how can we explain to them that you are like this ? All the deleted information is related to people’s livelihood. You don’t give me money , but I also want these related subsidies. You have to face the voters, and I have to face the voters. I am the local official, and you want me to talk about it. So they said that this matter has caused some people in the local area to complain. They even compared it to the previous President Tsai. When President Tsai promoted some related policies, they were very smooth. They communicated with who specifically and named which political commissars were specifically responsible, right? You are now Lai Zhuo’s system. It seems that the Zhuo government is like this and will not discuss with you. So this is especially true when the newspaper wrote this exclusive, so it seems that there are some complaints. And it seems that there are also some complaints about whether there are differences between Premier Zhuo Rongtai and President Lai. But I think his most important intention is to talk about this major policy. If you affect my voters and our local government’s bills related to the care of the people’s livelihood, you have to talk about it first so that we can think of other ways to make up for it . Do n’t say that if you cut the Premier together, everyone will look at you because he has a word now . The Executive Yuan cannot only cut the blue camp and not the green camp. If this is the case, it will be clear. It feels like Sima Zhao’s intention, so he is bound to do it. So today, all the relevant explanations say that our green camp cut more. In fact, this is beautiful , but it hurts to be cut. So this is different positions and different standpoints. Everyone has different opinions. Come to Guanting , I just said to Sister Huizhen. I kept shaking my head because it is not a political consideration. Let me explain that the whole case is like this. Because the central government has cut 140 billion yuan, the central government’s own budget has been cut to the point where it has no idea what else can be cut. To be honest, this is the content of the proposal of the blue and white camp at the time. If the above items are at the bottom, At present , the amount of 93.9 billion has not been deleted. We need to make up for it . That is to say, after deleting more than 30 billion from the above, there is still 63.6 billion left. You can adjust it yourself. But in addition to this , the central government has deleted 140 billion. We really have nothing to delete. So in the end, the 63.6 billion deleted from the general subsidy will be deleted. This case will be deleted. This will affect these things. In fact, when reviewing the budget before, I have always communicated with these blue and white legislators. I want to talk about how to solve it in the future. In fact, the Directorate-General of Budget, Accounting and Statistics has explained to everyone that there is a saying that now there is no way to support the local governments of 63.6 billion. You can go to the Directorate-General of Budget, Accounting and Statistics to discuss how to deal with it . The solution that the Directorate-General of Budget, Accounting and Statistics has come up with now is that this year it will recommend that local governments borrow money this year and just borrow for one year. Because this year, I’ll give you an example . New Taipei City is short of NT$3 billion , Pingtung is short of NT$5 billion, and Kaohsiung is short of NT$5 billion. If this amount really makes it difficult for you to go ahead with the borrowing, the Executive Yuan has already promised to compensate you next year. So, for example, if the original subsidy next year is NT$10 billion , then add NT$5 billion to make it NT$15 billion. If everyone agrees with this approach so that the local governments will not be affected, then it’s over. But I want to come back and ask, then why did you cut it in the first place? This year, I’ll give you an example. New Taipei City is short of NT$3 billion , Pingtung is short of NT$5 billion, and Kaohsiung is short of NT$50 billion. If this amount is really a hindrance to you, and you have taken on the debt, the Executive Yuan has promised to compensate you next year . So I will give you an example. If the original subsidy next year is 10 billion , and you add 5 billion to it, it will become 15 billion. If everyone agrees with this approach so that the local governments will not be affected, then it is over. But I want to come back and ask , why did you cut it in the first place ? Isn’t this going back to the source? Did you ask the question I want to ask at the beginning of this case? Let me tell you about this case . The difference between your two questions is that his question is about why you want to cut the local government, right… This is the real source . That is to say, if I know what Bo Yi wants to say today, you Why do we have to move 63.6 billion to the local governments? The reason is that we have already cut 140 billion, and we have nothing left to cut from the central government . Well, your responsible politics is like this. What is not cut is 93.9 billion, so it is supplemented separately , and there is no communication with the administrative units. I am talking about the Executive Yuan. In fact, you should be responsible. That is to say, if you want to cut any central government line, you must cut it. This should not be made up. If you cut it responsibly, there will be no problem today. So I still want to come back and say that it doesn’t matter. Everyone has their own interpretation. I respect it, but the Executive Yuan is very responsible and does not want to let the local governments have no money. So what can be done this year is to borrow money, and then the Executive Yuan will make up for it next year. This is the money for this year. But if we had known this, why did we cut this part in the first place? Let me tell you, no matter how much the opposition party cut the budget, the Lai government finally got a total of 2.9 trillion, the highest budget in history. There is no controversy about this, right? Excuse me, when you got the highest total budget , you actually cut local subsidies. Tell me why Tsai Ing-wen didn’t cut it before? Did Tsai Ing-wen get such a high budget of 2.9 trillion at that time? Tsai Ing-wen did not touch the local subsidies. Unexpectedly , when the Lai government got the highest total budget, it said that it had to cut local subsidies because it had no money. This is ridiculous. And I really say that it is not our blue camp that is embarrassed after this cut. The embarrassment is for the green camp, because for any representative of the people, if the money for my county or city is cut , we should unite together to fight for that money, because that money is used for some local construction, including subsidies for some disadvantaged groups. But now the central government has cut it. After the cut, you tell the DPP city councillors whether to fight for it or not . If you don’t fight for it, you will be ashamed of your attitude as a city councillor. Fighting for it seems to be a slap in the face of the central government. That’s why I say that this time the Executive Yuan’s decision to cut local subsidies is a very wrong decision, because local subsidies are honestly called local life-saving money, because the projects used are usually to support some disadvantaged groups in education and basic education. After the infrastructure is cut, a part of Taipei City is short of 10 or 20 billion. Now you tell me that you have to borrow money from the central government. Since I have to pay it back next year, why don’t you just not cut it this year? Yes, just don’t cut it. But your total budget is still the highest. Your total budget of 2.9 trillion is still the highest. Same logic, I agree with your logic. If the total budget is still high, then you can cut it. Your logic is like this. Because the total budget is still so high after the cut, let’s take each county and city as an example. 22 counties and cities, let’s take Taichung as an example. Taichung’s total budget this year is the highest in history, more than 200 billion. This time, Taichung cut 3.2 billion in subsidies . Cut this 3.2 billion. Taichung’s budget is also the highest in history. A few months ago , Taichung City Councilor Jiang Zhaoguo questioned in the parliament that the KMT legislators are now cutting relevant budgets at the central government, which will affect Taichung. Lu Shiuyan said at the time that I don’t care about the affairs between the two houses. He said at the time that he didn’t care about the affairs between the two houses. As a result, a few months later, Lu Shiuyan now jumped out and said that if you can’t do things, you shouldn’t be in power. Isn’t it? I’m going back to the source. Everyone should be responsible. Today you proposed to delete 93.9 billion. Which item you want to cut? You are responsible for which item the central government should not do. In the end, this matter has affected the local areas. Then you jump out and say that the central government’s budget is the highest in history, and the local areas are also the highest in history. Which county and city is not the highest in history? Which county and city cut the central government’s more than 60 billion and said it is not the highest in history. Taichung City and the counties and cities are also the same. So we don’t use this logic. We are I’m slapping you in the face with your logic. It’s because of the same logic. Why can the central government do it but the local governments can’t ? Come to Taichung City. Let me tell you about Taichung City. Let’s take Taipei City as an example. All our local subsidies have long been included in the projects we want to build. It should have been spent for 5 months. I have spent all of it. Cut it off and tell me what to do. This is the biggest problem. You didn’t tell us before that the money you were going to give us had been spent. We have all spent it, including Taichung City. That’s why I want to ask. Now I will directly ask the green camp city councilors in various counties and cities. When your county and city funds are cut and there is a gap in the amount, do you agree or oppose ? I will answer your question and it will be very obvious. Bai Yi just said this sentence. I asked about Taoyuan City’s municipal general inquiry this year. Taoyuan was cut by 2.06 billion. Then I tell you that from January to May, our budget includes general subsidies. We have planned so much and allocated it. In fact, it has been compiled and used until May. Let me tell you what general subsidies are for local areas. They must be calculated based on quotas. Educational facilities, social welfare and basic facilities. Which of these three items is not important? For our representatives, our village heads and the grassroots district heads, none of them can be cut and none can be reduced. So I asked our mayor at that time , “What are the solutions? ” The first one is to borrow money. The second one is to get the money back, which is the best. The third one is to save the money that is not needed first. What do you think is the best way to borrow money ? There is only one place in the country that cannot do it, Miaoli. Miaoli cannot do it. Miaoli has no room for borrowing. It is already very miserable. So if I remember correctly, President Zhuo said that we will assist Miaoli. In addition to Miaoli, you can think about other counties and cities. The method is OK, so I think if the Executive Yuan has already said that it will pay you back next year, then why not borrow? No one should be left behind. Borrow quickly . I believe that if this is the case, everyone will borrow. It’s just that the same set of logical calculations just now, but the results on both sides are completely different. But what you will face next is the recall. Because the promotion of administrative affairs must continue, it will go to the Legislative Yuan and then be postponed to the end of July. Then , everyone will see how many seats will be passed from the second to the third stage, and how many seats will be passed by the blue camp to be recalled by the green party members. And if both sides use a head-on election campaign to move forward, what will the future political atmosphere in the country be like? We will all wait and see. Thank you very much to all the guests and the audience for watching the news face to face. See you tomorrow. Bye Bye

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