《台南→台北！「幽靈連署」起訴書讀書會重新開張！重創藍？》【2025.06.17『新聞面對面』】

《台南→台北！「幽靈連署」起訴書讀書會重新開張！重創藍？》【2025.06.17『新聞面對面』】

Let me start by introducing the special guests we have invited today. The first one on the left is DPP Deputy Secretary General Ho Po-wen. Hello, Taipei City Councilor Miao Boya. Hello , former DPP Central Committee member Chang Yi- shan-wu. Hello, everyone. On the right is Taipei City Councilor Zhong Xiao-ping. Hello, senior media person Shang Yi -fu. Hello, Honorary Advisor of the Legislative Yuan, Brother 3Q Chen Po-wei. Hello, 3Q. Since the indictment against Huang Lyu Jin-ru and several other KMT Taipei City Party Chairmen came out yesterday , the atmosphere of all domestic media has been around this for the past two days. But on the one hand, the content of this indictment has made many people read it , including the fact that the rate of fraud is really too high, 94%. 96% of these , some people even complained that it was about the same as the so-called pass rate of the strike group . But more importantly, when these indictments include the Kuomintang and about 8 local party branches, if they are involved in these, they have not yet been indicted. If they come out one by one, for the Kuomintang, it now looks like the second stage because after June 20, the Central Election Commission will confirm which committee members will enter the third stage. At this time, the Kuomintang will fight as it will. The first one is that if an indictment like this comes out every once in a while and you see such content, will it have an impact on the overall morale of the Kuomintang ? Another is that when each local party branch faces these, some guests have mentioned that when the whole fight is like this, it will not be a complete annihilation for everyone . In the future, the war will always require the help of everyone, volunteers, party workers, and everyone’s help. In the face of this, what should the Kuomintang do? There is also a message today that tomorrow was originally scheduled for a national security briefing. All meetings, including the Kuomintang and the public, The party has already confirmed that it will not attend. What will happen to the overall atmosphere in the country ? But at the beginning, of course, we still have to go back to the indictment from yesterday. Xiaoping , you held a press conference this morning . Most of the media said that you should let go of grudges and Huang Lu and so on. But during the whole process, you can look at the indictment yourself. You have had the experience of signing a joint letter before. You are also listed as Shang Yifu in it. Shang Gong has been saying that it is because you want to be in it . Do you also want to sign Huang Lu? This is what the indictment says. Huang Lu was afraid that you would get ahead of him, so he did all this. You can watch it yourself. How do you feel? I feel very sorry. If I had known earlier, I would have disobeyed Zhu Lilun. What is disobeying orders ? Well, he told me not to sign the second level to help them. We were not politicians three years ago. Their group was called Qingling Sanchang. So my group will sign it. Lin Changzuo and his team sent the first level first, and I sent it later, but they didn’t do the second level after overtaking. Well, then everyone was not united. The chairman didn’t come. The chairman didn’t dare to come, and then there was no integration. 2 3,000 votes, okay, pull it back. Time, time, place, time, change the place, still Zhongzheng Wanhua. History always repeats itself. Repeatedly, there is still no unity. If there is unity this time, it will be at least 31 to 1. What you call unity is to let you let me take the lead. You said that Zhong Xiaoping is not allowed to vote, and I will not vote either. It doesn’t matter because the connection is more important. That’s what I said in your show. I talked about Jimo and Jucheng. Let me be one. Now you don’t even have Jimo and Jucheng. Right, let me be a city lord. The city lord of Jucheng, I connected it because at that time, Li Xiaoliang and the others each connected more than 1,000 copies . You know, the first level, but it’s a pity that he didn’t use it. He might put it in the second level and use it in front. It’s easy to connect 2,300 copies a day, but after Huang Lu was detained, he connected 2 a day. 3 copies are 100 times more difficult , so I was forced to find the village head and the neighborhood head. I climbed the stairs to get more than 1,000 copies. I tried my best, but I didn’t expect it to be so difficult to get it done and then pull it back. Let me tell you a very interesting story. Three years ago, my leader was called Daping. Zheng Daping, the director colonel of Huang Fuxing, and then I thanked him on the show because it was really stressful for those people. Three years later, I didn’t want to think about it, so I asked him to be the leader. But at this time, he was more dependent on Huang Lu. The middleman was Man Zhigang. So I told Zheng Daping that Daping was called Zheng Daping and I was called Zhong Xiaoping. He had big bottles and I had small bottles. I called him big bottles and he called me small bottles. There was another one called whole bottles. This is not important. The whole bottle was pulled back, and then the news reached Huang Lu’s ears and he was frightened. Maybe it was the cause of that, so he went to deliver it. The point is that today I told this big head and Jiang Junting , the director of Zhu Lilun’s office, that I don’t I don’t know how they communicate with each other if I send it. If I don’t send it, I won’t send it. I support you at the second level. Why do I say that I regret it and I don’t disobey orders . I think it’s blind loyalty because we cherish Zhu Lilun. He called me back to the party for the Tongzhou project, so I ‘ll be more obedient. I ‘m more wild. I know that I’m a reformist of the Kuomintang and I’m very wild. The unificationists don’t like me either. I’m a Republic of China faction, I’m anti-communist, etc. No matter what, it seems that my DNA is different from theirs, but my DNA and my beliefs are very clear that Chiang Ching-kuo’s line. I think this is the orthodoxy of the Kuomintang. Then I pulled it back and was framed and slandered by others. Who told the history brother that I gave him 10,000 copies to defile Li Xiaoliang, and I didn’t pay them 5,000 yuan for the photocopying. I paid 5,000 yuan for the printing myself. It’s a groundless smear and an attack on you. Some wings in the party are really bad. You know some deep blue wings. I have to say something very unpleasant. What are you doing here? You’re using your traffic. The party is down and you don’t follow the right path. Well, then they started to connect, and I felt very sorry. What is the worst result in the end ? Murphy’s Law. Every time the Kuomintang does something, you see, 31 to 0 is miserable, Huang Lu was detained, and it was miserable. Then Wu Peiyi and others easily passed, which was even more miserable. If it is 5 to 2 today, it will be different . In Taipei City, we beat two of them and he beat five of me. You know , let’s fight and race. I think it’s still party against party, like the manly duel of John Wayne in the West with a gun. But it’s all over . In the end, what I want to say is that the prosecutor wrote about me. I’m not important. I’m a small person. But he wrote that you are very important. You are the most important in Shang Gong’s mouth. The criminal motive of Huang Lv Jinru is the grudge between me and Huang Lv. What does it have to do with you? Prosecutor, why do you write about me ? You don’t have to think about Huang Lv’s motives when you write about Huang Lv. Huang Lv just did what you think he did. Why do you write about me? Our internal struggles in the party have nothing to do with you. I think it is unnecessary to do this. I think everyone is too political and too extreme. I think we will be afraid of our judiciary if we do this. I will be afraid. So I want to condemn this prosecutor named Zhu and prosecutor named Xu again in the show . I think it is not good to do this . The last sentence is that it is over. The second stage is over. It is 31 to 1 How about the third level? Should the KMT unite? Should the KMT make the best use of its talents, goods and materials? Should it make the best use of its resources? There must be a unity . Otherwise , it will still be like this. The rhythm is wrong. If you use zone defense, you can’t defend against others. You have to mark people. You have to change. The KMT must be dialectical . Dialectics is the most important thing. If it goes smoothly, it is obvious that they have the upper hand in the past few months. I think there is no need to elaborate on the reasons. There are too many reasons . We are at a disadvantage . It is obviously a state of being defeated. We need to change and fight hard. I think only then will we have a chance to save these five. Xiaoping and the first one. You just said that you are deeply dissatisfied with these two prosecutors, right? OK. During this process, you will still insist that because the KMT has been shouting, including judicial persecution , including even some KMT people directly saying that the prosecutors and investigators are Lai Qingde’s lackeys. Everyone has heard these words. Do you still think that this investigation is Lai Qingde’s persecution of you or using these? The judiciary is a means. You sued Huang Lu, I have nothing to say. I also support this. It has been all the way down. Then Dai Xiqin was appointed as the acting chairman. He said that he expressed his apology and I support him because it is impossible that nothing happened. But detaining people at will is too much . We should return to the principle of proportionality in the law. I think we should follow the middle way. I think we should say that the president should be a barrel hoop to unify. Now he has turned into Lai Qingde and even Taiwan Trump. You know, there is no middle-class voter who doesn’t love him. People regard him as an enemy. I think Taiwan is in danger. Does Zhu Lilun need to apologize publicly? Regarding this matter, what do you personally think of him as the party chairman? Of course, I can’t advise him. If he says the same thing as Dai Xiqin, it will be of great benefit to the party. My opinion is that Huang Lu has been sued today. Next, the Taipei District Court will hold a detention hearing. Do you have anything to say to Huang Lu ? I think because everyone regards this indictment as an internal struggle of the Kuomintang, it is exactly in the indictment certified by the prosecutor. You just mentioned The Kuomintang is now going to fight the third level, and in the future, it may not be good. Some people may want to fight to the fourth level . You said that your unity is very important. Everyone thinks that the whole process between Huang Lu and you may be a point in the middle. The so- called criminal motive mentioned by Shang Gong. Do you have anything to say to Huang Lu? The recording is now more than 4 o’clock, almost 5 o’clock . The detention court is being held at 4 o’clock. I think we should not detain him. Don’t detain him. He is 75 years old and in poor health. We can release him. The first one is that you have already prosecuted. You can go to the place where you make a not guilty plea or go to the local court. I think it is almost in line with the balance point that everyone thinks of the citizens . Then the offender should be punished, but his compulsory punishment should not be too much. I hope he will be safe and can make a not guilty plea in the first instance. I hope he will be acquitted. OK. Of course, you said that Huang Lu and his team will adopt what kind of litigation strategy , whether it is a not guilty plea or something else. These are some individual choices , but Xiaoping himself just said that if the internal struggle of the Kuomintang continues like this Level 3, or even level 4 , how should we fight ? Because everyone should read this indictment from beginning to end. You should talk about the false rate and the process. Because today, if you look at the Internet, whether it is social media or all those eye drops, they have become the focus of everyone’s ridicule. Why did Acting Chairman Dai Xiqin apologize ? Why did Long Jie apologize first in Tainan at that time? The Democratic Progressive Party said that they hope Zhu Lilun will apologize . Regardless of whether he apologizes or not, how can the Kuomintang turn the page? When everyone has nothing to do, they take out the indictment and talk about this ratio. Everyone has already got eye drops. Tell me how this can be handled. Yes , I want to say that Xiaoping said just now that the prosecutors should not target the personal grudge between him and Huang Lu, but the prosecutors must write about his motive for the crime when writing this indictment. His motive for the crime is definitely not Zhong Xiaoping or Huang Lu , or the prosecutors themselves . It must be said by someone during the interrogation process, and the most likely person to say it is Huang Lu. Because only the criminal himself can tell what his motive is. And Huang Lu actually has two motives for his crime. One is to protect Zhu Lilun, and the other is to blame Zhong Xiaoping. Why did he protect Zhu Lilun ? He said that he proposed the idea of ​​recall in the Kuomintang. Is this a criminal motive? Why did he think of recall ? Why did he think of the possibility that local legislators or even the local legislators would be involved in the discussion with Zhu Lilun? In order to protect Zhu Lilun’s political responsibility in the so-called process , he took on this political responsibility himself. He mentioned that because he saw that Huang Kuo-chang was nailing a lonely branch on January 11, he thought that they could also use recall. But although Zhu Lilun was also mentioned to use recall , no matter who initiated it, initiating a recall and illegally signing are two different things, right ? So the second thing is to blame Zhong Xiaoping, who had a criminal motive , for forging the signatures. So in the indictment, it was directly written that Huang Lu Jinru heard that Zhong Xiaoping , a member of the Kuomintang Taipei City Party Committee, Taipei City Councilor, submitted an application for a recall petition to the Central Election Commission in February. In order to avoid the recall case he led, the recall case could be carried out smoothly . No need to apply first, it means directly saying who is in charge is more important. Who should be connected to the party is more important. The key point is that Huang Lu felt that he had to be one step ahead of you, so he put the motive of forging the so-called joint signature on you. And this motive should at least be what Huang Lu Jinru said in person or there is other evidence. He said it during the meeting and someone heard it, so he told the prosecutor. So this matter absolutely cannot blame the prosecutor for asking whether it was to instigate between you two. It really doesn’t matter between the two of you. The key point is that when I write this indictment, I must have this criminal motive, and the criminal motive is caused by Zhong Xiaoping. When I write this indictment, I must have this criminal motive, and the criminal motive is caused by Zhong Xiaoping. In addition, I want to say that I will not connect. I am not the male version of Dou E’s Injustice. Am I going to roll on the nail bed again? Yes, I am prepared for Dou E’s Injustice. I feel very bitter now, right? We love the party, and then we will not connect. I am the best at connecting . You also don’t let me contact the municipal party committee, and you also don’t let me contact these youth groups who signed the petition. I also don’t contact the municipal party committee. You told them not to contact, they won’t find me , and they two won’t touch me. Isn’t it very bitter, right? The volunteers who were more wronged than you were because they helped to copy the petitions. It took them 18 hours to copy 5,300 petitions . There were only 15 volunteers for 5,300 petitions. I calculated that it took 3 minutes to sign one petition . So it was written in the indictment that they had to put eye drops on each other. That’s why it was written on the Internet that they had to put eye drops on each other to complete the work. Because they were working late at night. Because it was almost 18 hours. They had to rush. In order to get to Zhong Xiaoping, this criminal motive was very important. I had to get there before Zhong Xiaoping. If it wasn’t for eye drops, I wouldn’t put them on . So I took the eye drops and put them on each other. I’ll give them to Zhong Xiaoping later because he was wronged by Dou E, so I have to treat him as Cry a few tears to show that he was also wronged. I’m serious about the injustice of these volunteers. The New Taipei City Party Committee has a red envelope of 1,000 yuan, and Tainan has 3 and 2 yuan. As a result, these are all volunteers. These volunteers serve the Kuomintang for free. They have to copy a copy of these petitions in 3 minutes. As a result, they will be fined 10,000 to 30,000 yuan , and they will also receive legal education. The Kuomintang should help pay for this money. At least Zhong Xiaoping, you have a criminal motive . You have to help these volunteers pay 10,000 to 30,000 yuan , a total of 320,000 yuan. In total, these people helped the Kuomintang for free, but they had to pay 320,000 yuan . As a result, the person who slacked off was called Li Xiaoliang . He smoked and slacked off all night . People used to say that slacking off touched a great white shark , but he didn’t. He slacked off and touched a great white shark. He was not prosecuted because he slacked off and didn’t go to jail. Because he didn’t help these volunteers , he was not prosecuted. Because he didn’t know that these are called forgery of documents. This is the KMT’s double treatment of young people and those who have supported the KMT for a long time . Lai Yiren, you are responsible for supervision . It is written here that you are responsible for supervision, Lai Yiren. Lai Yiren is responsible for supervision. You supervise better. You also supervise the recall of Wu Siyao and the recall of Wu Peiyi. The mess is mixed together. What kind of supervision are you doing? And today it is said that it is written here as unknown volunteers. I think everyone knows that when the prosecutor writes the indictment , he dares to write unknown volunteers. How to copy the list is guided by Lai Yiren. He must have relevant oral testimony. These people may say that Lai Yiren is responsible for guidance, but I don’t know who these volunteers are . So these testimonies are definitely supported by relevant physical evidence, factual evidence and confessions. So Lai Yiren You don’t need to push me. You must have some volunteers to guide you. And you didn’t guide them seriously , which caused confusion in the end. So Lai Yiren and Li Xiaoliang both made very inappropriate demonstrations in the so-called North District Wu Siyao case and South District Wu Peiyi case. What are these inappropriate demonstrations? The prosecutor specifically mentioned them in the sentencing opinion. This is what I have always mentioned in the program. I am a voter of Wu Siyao with more than 90,000 votes. The rights of the people who have more than 5,000 votes are based on you, the proposers, to decide whether I should enter the second stage. And how do you protect the rights of these proposers ? So in the sentencing considerations, the prosecutor wrote very clearly that the list of recall proposers has legal significance and is not a private document of ordinary people. It’s not because I joined the KMT that you can just copy it. It’s an important hub that determines whether the public officials elected by the people through voting can go through the recall process. I can only go to the second stage if I pass the first stage, and I can vote if I pass the second stage. So why do the recall groups cherish their petitions so much? Their approval rate is as high as 95%. But you, the KMT , are a political party that wants to govern, but you set a certain example. This example is called your forgery rate is as high as 95%, which is the same as the approval rate of the recall groups. So no more saying that prosecutors are unfair in the judicial system and handle the blue camp but not the green camp. The approval rate of these citizens’ recall groups is 95%. Have they been handled? If they have found one or two things, as long as they explain clearly , it will not violate their rights to exercise their civil rights. But the KMT, your forgery rate is as high as 95%. If I don’t handle you, who should I handle? The prosecutor should handle this case. Only then can fairness and justice be restored to all the people . At that time, I still remember that there was an official document issued by the Taipei City Election Commission. Do you remember that it mentioned the recall of Wu Siyao? There are more than 100 copies in one place , about 140 copies, and the name on that copy is 142… He wanted to recall Wu Siyao, but it was written as Wu Peiyi . At that time, because everyone only had that official document, and the medicine may not have been used , everyone was wondering how it was possible that Wu Siyao was recalled. The name written on it was not Wu Siyao’s. At that time, some guests said that it might be because Wu Siyao and Wu Peiyi were both trying to recall these two committee members. They wrote them together, which is why there might be a mistake . This indictment seems to have been declassified. That’s right, it was the process, so it happened. 3Q Lai Yiren protested his injustice. Did you see it? Lai Yiren came out to protest his injustice and said why the unknown volunteer did it, and he told you directly that for him, it felt very heavy. He protested his injustice to the extreme. Obviously, he might go to the local court to use the so-called “not guilty plea”. And the whole process 3Q You yourself have faced recall. Did you see that the fake rate in that part is 96%? 94% of this process includes Huang Lu’s description in the indictment, whether it is guidance or all these , including Lai Yiren’s role in it. He is still crying out for injustice after reading this. What do you feel about plagiarism? Of course it is wrong to do it knowing that it is impossible. There must be someone behind the scenes instigating it. After flipping through the historical news, I found that Huang Kuo-chang suggested that the Kuomintang should stop the system and took the initiative to call to contact this news. Suddenly, a masterpiece called Romance of the Three Kingdoms emerged in my mind . Pang Tong is Huang Kuo-chang. He is not good-looking and wanders around. Then he ran to Sun Quan and said, “I tell you, I ran to Cao Cao and said, “I tell you, tie the ships together so that our army in the north can be used as a navy.” He first tied all the local party branches of the Kuomintang together. Cao Cao was very happy when Zhu Lilun heard it and asked everyone to execute it . Someone called Jiang Gan, his name is Weng Xiaoling, revised the law to directly block the back door. The two who were fighting in the front and training the navy were called Cai Mao and Zhang Yun, which is Huang Lu Jinru and Lai Yiren. What does it mean to be beheaded on horseback? They were prosecuted. There was a self-torture trick in this process. Zhong Xiaoping ignited the first fire of the Battle of Chibi. I was not connected. I felt bitter and I was going to escape. As a result, my house was burned down. Where did Cao Cao come from? Da Qiao and Xiao Qiao happened to be the two Da Wu and Xiao Wu in Taipei. There was also a straw boat borrowing arrows in this process. How to borrow the list of party members of the Kuomintang? This person is called Zhang Sigang. Seeing that people kept shooting, he sent out his own party list. There is also an unknown Huang Liang party. Who is the mastermind behind the scene, Huang Guoliang ? Who saw through all this and was able to escape without guilt? This name has a Liang Li Xiaoliang , who is our Wolong. Not only Wolong, I suspect there is also He was an undercover agent. He was smoking outside when people were copying. When people were signing petitions, his mother sent a letter to prove his innocence. Then when the whole incident broke out, he looked the most innocent. It turned out that this was a battle of Red Cliffs. After you finish reading this story, you will find that those Kuomintang members who fanned the flames and caused you to be kidnapped should review these things first. Like what Brother Xiaoping said, the internal strife is our family’s business. Why shouldn’t the prosecutor talk about it? Well, I ask you who did something wrong, who should be held responsible, and who should apologize? Have you discussed this matter? I think this is the problem . I don’t think it’s Zhong Xiaoping’s fault, nor do I think it’s Huang Lu Jinru’s fault. Who gave the order? Who thinks that this thing that shouldn’t be done can be done? You can’t tell me that it was okay to copy it before , so it’s okay to copy it now. You cheated before and were not caught, so you can cheat now? If the Kuomintang wants to regain the hearts of the people, you must take action. What is that action ? Xu Qiaoxin has become more aggressive and scolded the people. Xie Longjie will bite himself to death and there will be no problem if you violate the rules. Continue to talk nonsense. What is your action? Is n’t democracy done this way ? If you make a mistake , you will lose votes and fail to get elected. Think about what you did not do well. So far, no one in the Kuomintang thinks that this is wrong. For example, Brother Xiaoping, he is an international superstar. When he just came in, we wanted to take a photo with him. I saw his remarks in the past few days. There are also some people in the party who are pro-red and pro-unification. They are scolding him with their fangs and claws. There are also some young people who say he is wrong every day. I do n’t think there should always be a process of right and wrong. This is the biggest problem of the Kuomintang. Democracy has never been about taking care of your voters. It’s not just a speech for your voters. The election process may be like this , but after the election, you have to explain to the people. It’s not just the 80,000 or 100,000 votes that are cast for you that are people . The 200,000 or 300,000 votes in your constituency are the people. I think the Kuomintang hasn’t explained this for a long time. The same goes for Huang Kuo-chang. Huang Kuo-chang is actually a good representative of public opinion . I have a different opinion of him recently . He supports the people he represents. He is also closed-minded. They also have to listen to others. How do we judge cults ? Cults will arise in places where information is not circulated. So you see, he said at a national meeting that he would start a live broadcast . Come on, I Watch the live broadcast and then talk about the matter. If you don’t believe it, you can watch my live broadcast at night. That means he is being kept in his live broadcast group . He has no way to explain to everyone . What he did is not for the 23.5 million people to see. So I think there is a gap between the blue, green and white people’s understanding of democracy before and after the election. What the Kuomintang should tell everyone is which link I did wrong in this matter . You can even apologize if you issued it , or if you think the apology is too heavy, you can adjust it . It’s earlier than the indictment. This is a plus. We used to use clichés in the past, but we won’t do that in the future. We haven’t insisted yet. We are still arguing now. In fact, 3Q Why do you think the KMT, especially the chairman, has not made any statement on this matter so far ? Why? If you say so, then it should be like this , otherwise the people will definitely not forgive such things or all of these ? Didn’t Deng Xiaoping also say that, for example, Dai Xiqin, the acting chairman, said a long time ago that those who made mistakes should correct their mistakes and apologize. He did apologize, but now everyone, including the blog post, can talk about it because it seems that the DPP directly named Zhu Lilun and asked the KMT to apologize. Doesn’t the KMT know that it should turn the page on these past events? Because there are still 8 local party branches that have not yet prosecuted or not prosecuted these things. Doesn’t it know what to do ? What is it doing there? This is Huang Kuo-chang’s chain of tricks. His biggest trick is to tie the blue and white together. It is called judicial persecution. If there is no judicial persecution, the blue and white have no conditions to walk together. His judicial persecution is that the white is Ko Wen-je who was persecuted by the judiciary. How about the blue’s joint letter forged documents? The petition was persecuted by the judiciary , so only when the two of them stand together will they have strength , otherwise they will lose the legitimacy of their cooperation. So now they attack the judiciary. I think I have also watched Wu Ge’s program these days. There are A saying, B saying, C saying, and then talking nonsense. These things can be used to attack the entire legal community. Miao Boya encountered the same situation today. Huang Kuo-chang directly rebuked him, saying that you don’t have a lawyer’s license, what are you talking about? You didn’t rebuke him. He said that you have been a representative of the people for less time than him, and you have changed political parties less than him, right? He said those things, this is a fact. He has a doctorate in law, not one, but two , not two, but three . Wu Zongxian, Weng Xiaoling, and Huang Kuo-chang have been attacking the judiciary from the first day they were elected as legislators to the present. Are you going to call everyone the first choice of the liberal arts department of the law department of NTU? You drag everyone into the water in one breath . Wu Zongxian, Weng Xiaoling, and Huang Kuo-chang have been attacking the judiciary from the first day they were elected as legislators to the present. Are you going to call everyone the first choice of the liberal arts department of the law department of NTU? You drag everyone into the water in one breath. So if he doesn’t attack the judiciary , they will lose the conditions for political cooperation here. Zhu Lilun cannot bow his head on this basis because he thinks, you see, they keep talking about this minor offense, this prosecutor’s making a big deal out of a minor case. Even today, Zhang Qikai and the French fry guy keep talking about these things every day, which is very annoying to the common people. I turned right at a red light and was fined 900 yuan, so I just touched my nose and paid it. How can you still protest until now, right? So this is what I think cannot be explained about democracy. I don’t expect them to apologize. I think they are making their last attempt now. They always think that Taiwanese people have a short memory. Anyway , after this battle is over and the recall is over, no one will discuss whether I forged the documents, so it doesn’t matter if I just get through it. I often say that for me, the expression of democracy is to realize a value , to teach your next generation and this society that bad roads cannot be taken. You are a bad road and keep hitting things like this. What are you going to do? How are you going to gain the trust of the majority of people? I think this matter is worth pondering. Come on, Xiaoping, how are you going to turn the page on this matter? I remind you again that there are eight more. The local prosecutors’ offices are still investigating these cases. If you want to fight the third level , there are at least a few . Look at how many people will be confirmed on June 20. 20 to 30 people, no matter how many. Then your matter , and wait a minute, the blog will definitely chase the Kuomintang. Do you want to apologize ? What will you do about these things ? Yes , I think it is necessary to turn the page, not time. They will continue to chase the Democratic Progressive Party. Okay , then we have 20 people in the first level who need to vote to change to the second level and the third level. We need to turn the page to reduce the hatred value, right? But there is no active turning of the page. It will not turn the page due to the passage of time. In short, we still have to express something . 3Q said that you are because you and the white camp want to be linked together, so you have to be tied together. It is legitimate to use the judiciary to persecute you. Will it be like this? The judiciary gave an example. I exposed the Ko Wen-je case, right? I can’t retreat. I will take a step back and say that you are seeking profit and corruption, and then I will retreat. You are adding pressure to me. This is my life principle. I am an upright congressman. If you collude with officials and businessmen like this, I will expose you, but I hope you can let him out. If there is no special collusion, what is the point? This is a balance. Today I tell you that you need to understand that Taiwan is a society that is rich and virtuous. Isn’t the greatest convention of Taiwanese people kind? Regardless of blue, green, or white , you must be a person who does not take extremes and takes the right path. There are many votes today. The judiciary is tied together. Has the judiciary been wronged? Yes , but may I ask why you conduct a poll on blue and white? May I ask you that the blue is being recalled from an unprecedented level. Our Taipei City is a city with a ratio of 6 to 4. I asked why the blue-green ratio is now 50-50. It’s very simple. Why? Because some of our votes were cast for the five legislators who wanted to be recalled. But now some people want to recall him. It’s about 10%, so it’s a tie. You know the basic point is the same. If their voter turnout is high, we will fall. Should we defend him ? On the one hand, we need to increase our voter turnout against recall. What is the second point? Simply put, we now ask the hatred value of the Kuomintang. Even the Kuomintang hates the Kuomintang . Some parts of the economic blue and knowledge blue hate the Kuomintang . Why do they hate the Kuomintang? I would like to ask you, today it is 60% , more than 60% , and more than Bai. Before, Bai was 60 and we were 50, and the DPP was 30. This is probably the long-term trend. We look at various polls. Now no matter what, this hatred value of 60% hates the Kuomintang. You must reduce it to at least below 50. How to reduce the number of people alive ? For example, for all the petitions like this , you need to have a declarative attitude. You can say that it is wrong to detain people, but you also have to say that it is wrong for us to do this. It is very clear that you must talk about taking the middle way and being just and taking big steps . The leaders of our party are different. Let me tell you, what will happen to the Democratic Progressive Party in the future ? Do you know what they are facing now? The most difficult thing for them now is that they are going to announce 20 or more on June 20, right? There will be three levels. From the announcement to the vote, it will take 20 to 60 days. I will arrest them for 45 days. Okay, these 45 days. The sky is what they want most. The news continues to attack the Kuomintang during the window period , but Tainan has sued Taipei and New Taipei. There is no window period. You still have 8 places. You must have an attitude. The history you cannot escape will not turn over with time. So you must treat it as Zhu Lilun. Treat him as Alishan. Is this a storm or a typhoon? A strong tropical cyclone or typhoon will come and then touch it. If you speak well, he is Alishan. Then of course it will rain and there will be wind, but it can be easily solved . The typhoon is most afraid of the Central Mountain Range. The guardian mountain is generally given as Yushan. You cite Alishan, which is shorter . Yushan Yushan 3997 plus a Yu Youren’s 3 meters tall becomes 4,000, and the bronze statue of 4,000 is made up, so he becomes Yushan Brother, okay? I say Zhu Lilun becomes Yushan Brother, becomes Yushan Brother , and then blocks the typhoon , and apologizes when he should apologize, and protects when he should protect. In short, he is a person with a high level , and at least the blue army and the blue and white army listen to it comfortably, and the Democratic Progressive Party does not hate it. This is amazing . You would expect the Kuomintang to do something like this because the indictment has been out until now. Of course, the Kuomintang actually responded today that it would not go to tomorrow’s national security briefing or something , but it did not respond to this matter . The logic just mentioned by 3Q is that everyone bites it anyway. I ‘m holding on to my teeth . Anyway, the news in Taiwan will be suppressed day by day. You are a media person . Even if it is suppressed day by day, the media reported during the election campaign that the Democratic Progressive Party asked Zhu Lilun , “Are you still not apologizing? What is your attitude now ?” We dare not say whether the Kuomintang will apologize. I really dare not predict it. I don’t have any expectations. But I just said that if the same thing happened to the Democratic Progressive Party , assuming that there are so many illegal signatures from north to south , and it is collective, I think in addition to an apology, at least the secretary-general of the Democratic Progressive Party will definitely step down. But this matter is a very serious matter for the Democratic Progressive Party, from south to north. This is a collective crime , and it was systematically directed by the party system. As a result, it seemed as if nothing had happened in the Kuomintang. In fact, Xiaoping was really amazing. I’m telling you why. You know, we saw this indictment and it was amazing. How could it be so far-fetched and out of line? How much motivation does it take to instruct subordinates to do such a thing ? Huang Lu Jinru, first of all, didn’t dare to say that it was Zhu Lilun who ordered it. You made such a serious request and specifically said that the matter of forging documents should be aggravated and hoped for a heavy sentence. First of all, he must have a motive. He didn’t dare to say that Zhu Lilun He dared not speak, he dared not speak, but what was your motive ? You must have a motive , right? That motive was Zhong Xiaoping. So Zhong Xiaoping was the key here, to be honest . But Xiaoping had to speak for Huang Lv Jinru. Of course, Xiaoping had to scold the prosecutor, but in his heart, I believe that in the depths of his heart, when it was late at night, he would definitely say that of course the prosecutor had to write me. Otherwise, how could he prove such an absurd thing ? Why did he do it this way? First, second, do you know how absurd this matter is? Huang Lv Jinru said that he was afraid that Zhong Xiaoping would come in advance and convene people on February 6th. The convener came on February 6th, hurry up. For example, we will call our volunteers to help the strike group. We will divide them into groups and assign points to assist them with administrative work or to prevent them from being disturbed. They said that the volunteers should copy 2537 copies on the first day. They copied 2537 copies on the first day and 2674 copies on the second day. So I told everyone that they actually finished 5211 copies in two days. So I told everyone why there were 142 copies in the middle. Wu Siyao’s “Wu Peiyi” was written as “Wu Peiyi” because there was not enough eye drops. It was very tiring to click until there was not enough eye drops. As a result, the mess was messed up. I told everyone that 96% are all wrong. I would like to ask everyone, among all the democratic countries in the world , which democratic party dares to do such a thing and do such a shameful thing. Frankly speaking, this is shameful to the extreme . The Kuomintang has not said a word so far. Their party chairman and secretary general seem to have never said anything about this incident. What makes me feel even more shameful is that you think about the process in between. Don’t shout about judicial persecution. I tell you, it is not judicial persecution . The Kuomintang is persecuting the judiciary. These people are like bad students who cheated in groups in school. After cheating in groups, they also confronted the teacher and threatened to beat the students . They also surrounded the disciplinary office. Can you accept it? So I I think this matter is actually very, very serious , not to mention April 26. Let’s think back to April 26. Ketagalan Boulevard, they said there were 250,000 people, 250,000 people. I still remember that day, the host was called Li Mingxian. Li Mingxian shouted 250,000 people, it was a huge crowd, saying this, you see, this is all judicial persecution . Lai Qingde is a dictator, the Democratic Progressive Party is a dictator, we want to protest against judicial persecution. As a result, after the indictment came out yesterday, a program asked Li Mingxian to go on the show. He said he had a stomachache and he didn’t dare to face it. Come out and talk about it. Come out and talk about this judicial persecution. So I think this whole matter, I think, let’s not talk about whether the Kuomintang should apologize or not . Frankly speaking, if you want the Kuomintang to apologize, you must first ask the country. It is wishful thinking for the KMT to have a little sense of shame . But I hope that all the people can see clearly that this matter has caused such serious damage to Taiwan’s democracy, but for the KMT, it is just a piece of cake. I believe that in all democratic countries around the world , the party chairmen and secretaries-general are probably already uneasy. For the KMT, they are as still as a mountain. As a result, Zhong Xiaoping, who was a little more sober , now seems to have become a war criminal. Xiaoping, of course, wants to talk about this prosecutor today . I actually understand all this , but I would like to ask whether the KMT has reviewed what happened from top to bottom during the process . So I want to conclude with one sentence . Please stop talking about the Kuomintang being persecuted by the judiciary. What we should talk about is that the judiciary was destroyed by the Kuomintang. This is called persecution of the judiciary , not judicial persecution. A Miao , in fact, after all this journey, when we talk about elections or wars, you can’t just rely on the blue and green camps , which are called the basic base. If you only rely on the blue and green camps , then don’t hold elections anymore. To be honest, it may be okay to elect a member of parliament, but if you want to take power in the central government, then there is no need to discuss a single seat , right? There is no need to discuss it, right? But now it seems that the entire indictment until now or what happened in the process, for example, when the indictment came out, someone was Critics say that whether it is the KMT Central Committee or the siege of the District Prosecutor’s Office at that time or Lai Yi-ren, are there any big plays ? Is there such a process? Lai Yi-ren protests innocence. Huang Lu is being detained in court now. I don’t know what will happen after Huang Lu’s detention. But I just said that you can’t just look at the blue camp’s base. What you want should be good. Let’s talk about Taiwan’s blue camp, green camp, light blue, light green in the middle . What you want is the integration of the big picture. If this matter is allowed to continue like this, we don’t know which indictments will be issued later . We will see some other situations. There is one more thing. Have you forgotten it? Everyone has been asking whether it will Attacking the Central Party Headquarters means whether the investigation will reach the Central Party Headquarters. The Pingtung District Prosecutor’s Office has not yet announced how the investigation in Pingtung is going. Is the Kuomintang just sitting at home waiting for these things? Then when it comes to the third stage, it is necessary to mobilize all enthusiasm and all support, okay? If the Kuomintang had the same idea as Brother Wu, it would not be like this today, and it would not have been like this from the beginning. You said that a formal political party, your members are not just party members. When the party chairman is suspected of forging a recall petition and the prosecutor begins to investigate, the party should have paid attention, right? At least you should come out and say that we respect the judiciary and hope that it will not be wronged. Don’t wrongly accuse good people , but if you really did it, you have to take responsibility. This is actually ABC. This is common sense, right? Tainan has already filed a lawsuit, and now the next is Taipei. At this time, don’t you think that a normal political party should have the Disciplinary Committee expelled these people from the party? Let’s say that when my century-old great party was founded more than a hundred years ago, I was still a revolutionary party that opened the door and took the open road. As a result, you local party branches have ruined the reputation of the party. I told you to set up a stall and collect more than 2,000 signatures. You must get more than 2,000 signatures. You all have to copy it. And when I saw the plot of the indictment yesterday afternoon, After reading it, I really felt a little remorse in my heart because I underestimated the Kuomintang. I saw it yesterday afternoon. After reading it, I really felt a little remorse in my heart because I underestimated the Kuomintang. In the past two months, I was still doing the math and said that when Han was dismissed, the number of dead people’s signatures was less than 1% , and the Kuomintang had 7% and 8%. So this should be checked. All these results have not been laid out. Some people say that 80% of the Kuomintang’s signatures are fake. It’s wrong. 90 % are fake. 96% I really didn’t expect that the Kuomintang is like this. Our estimates for the past two months were all wrong. We said that more than 90% were fake. Good, has it damaged the reputation of the Kuomintang ? Why did the KMT Central Committee not only say that you did not handle the matter, but the Central Committee did not even say a word that this was a serious mistake, and the party was deeply self-examining. You said that the reason why the KMT was a century-old party that ruled Taiwan for decades, but then lost power after democratization and failed to be elected president for three consecutive terms was not only because it could not explain its relationship with the CCP, but also because of the KMT bureaucracy, the KMT privileges, the KMT often committed crimes, and finally refused to admit its mistakes . It is because of these points that it cannot gain the trust of the people . A-Miao, let’s mention another person. A-Miao is about to talk about the incident between A-Miao and Huang Kuo-chang regarding the audio CD, but in the middle Remember Weng Xiaoling ? Today, Weng Xiaoling seemed to have said that she sued Huang Lu , which was the worst case of judicial interference in recall. Weng Xiaoling has a doctorate in law from the University of Munich. Huang Kuo- chang has a doctorate in law from Cornell University. That is, facing all of these, because you are a legal person , so I want to use the thinking of these legal people to ask you, if you say that between the offensive and defensive party politics, well , what do you expect Zhu Lilun to do or what, these Weng Xiaoling is a doctor of law after all . I mean, his logic is at most , otherwise, Huang Lu was sued today. I didn’t say anything, but he came out and said that this was the worst case of judicial interference in recall. For example, these four words are a complete loss of civility. This is very simple . Isn’t there a saying among the people that a hero is not afraid of a low birth ? The high or low birth does not mean that you have the right right and wrong and values, right? Why do some people say that most chivalrous people are butchers, and most educated people are ungrateful? It is true that you are well educated, but your eyes have been completely blinded by his political ideology. With such an obvious mistake, why do you still blame the prosecutor for handling it too quickly? Let me ask you, do you have to wait until every crime has been committed and the fraud group must have succeeded in the fraud before you can handle it? You cannot intervene in the middle of the fraud and stop it. What Weng Xiaoling said is generally known to everyone. This is unreasonable . Why do they say this? I think it’s because the KMT can only see 10 centimeters in front of them . They can’t see anything further away. What they can see in that 10 centimeters is a big recall. Their strategy for the big recall is very clear. They think that the seats that will be recalled are all in the deep blue districts . They look at the polls and find that the hatred values ​​in Taipei City are particularly high. So for the deep blue districts, they only have one strategy , which is to ask the blue camp to come out and vote. The blue camp will come out to vote when the political parties are in opposition. So they use blue-green glasses to explain everything. As long as they wear blue-green colored glasses, the deep blue will come out. As long as they wear blue-green colored glasses when voting , when the deep blue sees us discussing these 90% of these hypocritical signatures, their automatic reaction will be that it was all framed by the DPP, it was all judicial persecution by the DPP , it was all a conspiracy by the DPP , and then they will come out to vote against the recall. Now the KMT sees 10 centimeters in front of them , and they say it doesn’t matter, I have to pass the recall first. All the deep blue votes must be put in the account, not a single vote can be lost. So the whole party is following this very radical and extreme line of Weng Xiaoling, Wang Hongwei , Xu Qiaoxin, and Luo Zhiqiang. This is what he sees , and he will never think about saying that his party is a century-old party. Why does redit have to be destroyed at this time? He may even say it doesn’t matter. Voters will have forgotten about it in 2026. Look at those politicians who didn’t dare to come out against him and surrounded the Northern District Prosecutors Office to say sorry that we made a mistake. What they are thinking in their hearts is that it doesn’t matter. When the vote comes in 2026 , everyone will have forgotten what we are doing. Everyone has forgotten that our Taipei City Party Committee did this. Anyway, when Huang Lu Jinru comes out in the future, we just need to hide him and don’t let him appear in our KMT’s campaign event. I just saw the KMT’s anti-recall campaign. Among all these people, only Li Xiaoliang can go to Huang Lu Jinru’s rally. Even if Ru is released, she cannot go. Lai Yiren cannot go either. Those others cannot go either. They said I should hide this. I should not tell my supporters. He thinks he has turned the page and passed the test. As for whether the Kuomintang’s wishful thinking will succeed, I think it depends on the wisdom of the voters. Do voters only have short-term memory? Or can you see that this political party has been rotten from the root to the surface? When it has been rotten from the root to the surface, it cannot even supervise itself. Of course, it does not have the power and ability to supervise other parties. Living fossils. Mr. Shang, I would like to ask those who have watched the domestic political arena for so long. After reading this indictment, what do you think of yourself based on your experience? Would it make you dumbfounded? And all these things will have some implications for future developments , including the latest news today, because people like Huang Lu and Chu Wenqing, the secretary-general of the Kuomintang Taipei City Party Committee, have all been charged , and the prosecutors have asked for heavy sentences. And the latest news today is that Chu Wenqing, the secretary-general of the party, has pleaded guilty. OK He admitted that he had assisted in all these. For the Kuomintang, should they really take this matter seriously? Ah Miao said that they only saw the mass recall. If this trick is really effective in the mass recall, will it really work? I think the first thing is the views of the middle-class voters and the Kuomintang’s knowledge blue and economic blue. I have always emphasized these things. You said that I said before that Taiwan’s society can accept a political party that admits its mistakes , but cannot accept a political party that does bad things and does not admit its mistakes. You saw it today. First, you saw the Tainan indictment being copied at 3 yuan and 2 yuan. Now you see the Taipei City indictment being copied in batches. You ask the middle-class voters or some knowledge blue and economic blue. Can they agree with these practices ? I believe it is difficult. He can have strong opinions on judicial compulsory punishment . He has opinions on this , but he will not say that you did not violate the law , you are just wrong. Do you say that Taiwan is a political party that will not accept admitting mistakes? If it will not accept admitting mistakes, I think we will not have party rotation. There will be no party rotation. Think about the incident with A-Bian at that time. Ma Ying-jeou said that the Democratic Progressive Party had been in power for 20 years , but it rose after two terms . And the situation when it rose was that it was completely in power. Completely in power, you see In this election, everyone thinks that the Kuomintang is finished because you are pro-China , but the Congress gave you the largest party, so you say that it must have no chance to rise. But what does society see? At least you should admit your mistakes when you do something wrong, because what do the middle-class voters and knowledge voters see? In fact, to a certain extent, it is good. It has color , but its color does not necessarily mean that they will vote. I am knowledge blue . I don’t like the Democratic Progressive Party. I will vote for the Kuomintang . But there are some things that the Kuomintang has done that will make me not vote for the Democratic Progressive Party. But I don’t want to vote either. In fact, if you look at this time, many of the people I have come into contact with are actually blue. They scolded the big recall and asked them whether they would vote or not . They know that if they want to support the anti-recall , they have to vote. They know that, but they don’t want to vote for the knowledge blue. You said they don’t know because Ye Yuanzhi has been arguing with Minfeng on the show whether many supporters still don’t know that they have to vote to oppose the recall. Of course, they know that they know, but they don’t want to go. They just feel that they can’t go out and vote for these things . He feels that he hates the greens, but why did the Kuomintang become like this? So he doesn’t want to vote. He doesn’t want to vote. You ask He said that if the KMT nominates someone for recall and the DPP nominates someone for recall, who will you vote for and you will vote for the KMT again? Then if he does not vote in the recall and by-election , he will vote. That reflects that he is dissatisfied with the KMT ‘s current behavior . It seems that the KMT has no motivation to get him to vote no matter how it is used. But there is an election. So at this stage , the indictment of Tainan is very clear. We have all seen the list of deferred prosecutions in Taipei. 15 of them have pleaded guilty. Why did they plead guilty ? You said that they pleaded guilty here. What was the KMT’s first reaction yesterday? We will respond when we see the complete indictment. Do we need to see the complete indictment? No, we don’t. So what you saw today is that the KMT Central Committee still said that it cannot admit its mistakes because we pleaded not guilty inside and you asked us to do it . Now that you admit your mistakes, are you going to push it to us? Unless in this situation, you are afraid that the people inside will bite it out and say that it was you who confessed . If you admit your mistakes now, you will be fine. Do I have to go to jail? Other than that, I really can’t understand why they didn’t admit their mistakes after it has become like this … I don’t understand… You said that Lai Yiren and those young people were doing that outside. I don’t want to talk about it anymore . Now They are no longer the focus. I said that after the prosecution or announcement of this case , why talk about them? They are in the past tense, and talking about the future tense is like this. It’s good that you don’t admit your mistakes. Wait a minute, if the Kuomintang from the party central committee, if Zhu Lilun takes all these things, it doesn’t necessarily have to be legal, but political. After that, if the prosecutor prosecutes, like I just said, the secretary-general of the Kuomintang Taipei City Party Committee, then plead guilty. Because even if it goes to the local court, everyone still remembers that the Kuomintang would spend 20 million or 100 million in legal fees. Didn’t we tell you on the show that day that not all law firms in Taiwan would probably say, “Then I’ll take care of it.” Because that’s what we said that day, there are many deferred prosecutions. Even after going to the local court, they plead guilty and negotiate , and a lot of suspended sentences are probably solved. If this is the case , in fact, for these people involved in the case, this case is also very easy to solve. It ‘s all solved this time. The only one who can’t be solved is A-Miao. They have been saying that if the blue camp wants to hold on, they must hold all the supporters. I can’t admit my mistakes . Just now 3Q seemed to say the same thing. If I admit my mistakes, it means that I am like If I hold on to that position, it will collapse, so I cannot admit my mistake. Only in this way can I fight against the green camp in a blue-green confrontation. I use the blue-green confrontation to keep all my 31 seats. The current logic feels like what they mean is this. I have only one sentence. Do you think the deep blue people will run away? No, they won’t run away. The key now is that if these votes of the knowledge blue don’t come out, the middle voters won’t support you. You say these people, if you hold on to fight against the blue and green, will these people turn around? Question mark, let me say again, you hold on now. On April 25, three people were detained in Yilan to plead guilty. If the detention court is not held , The detention extension hearing is likely to be held on April 25th. Before, April 25th, June 25th, you now have a Taipei City, you Yilan, are you ready to watch it again on April 29th? If there is no detention extension , is it possible that we will see 3 indictments in June ? Is it possible that we will see 3 indictments in June? It may be good to enter July to vote. Have you ever thought about the latest one in Keelung , the leader of Zhang Zhihao, was detained on May 21st. You pushed it back for two months. The vote on July 26th is a while later. Then an indictment will be issued. Then think about May. On May 2 , there were two people detained in Taichung. If they were not detained on July 2, you said you could get through June. Could you get through July? What if there is a vote in July ? Well, Mr. Shang, the part you just talked about includes what you just said about the knowledge blue. Who cares what blue you are? These people can tolerate these Xiaoping. Do you want to answer it? I remember you said in the program that there are some people you know who are deep blue or volunteer party workers. If they want to apologize, they will ask you what you are apologizing for. At this time, everyone is about to fight . What are you apologizing for ? You said at that time that you just talked to Mr. Shang about where the way out is. Now, for you, what should you do? Because you are going to fight the third level next. We are itching to eat this and that . Because the current chairman has a childhood shadow. What childhood shadow do you know? It is that Ma Ying-jeou deleted it. The Democratic Progressive Party Chen Shui-bian did not delete it. Ma Ying- jeou deleted the year-end consolation money for retired military and civil servants. Later, even the 1 million deep blue people did not come out to vote. 1.67 million voted for James Soong . Recall that we only got 3 million. More than 3 million votes. Zhu Lilun is not a bad candidate. At that time, he was still the young master. At that time, the halo was all there, so he became like that . That’s why he apologized now. I’m afraid that even the deep blue will not come out. Right, because now the Democratic Progressive Party voted with tears. May I ask what is the biggest ideological reform launched by Tsai Ing-wen today? It’s called the maximization of the Democratic Progressive Party . It’s called the change from the two-state theory to the Republic of China. In Taiwan, the deep blue has issued a statement saying that it wants to replace Zhu Lilun. Right , the general. You mean the military faction? Right , I will add that Shang Yifu said that the lieutenant general Huang Fuxing is good, and then their independence faction used to say that his women, Hakka people, wear skirts instead of pants. Are there any chauvinists in 2025? We can skip this topic. We don’t have to talk about history to tell why the two parties are different . But they still accept Tsai Ing-wen’s leadership. Tsai Ing-wen is the worst president in history who speaks Taiwanese. He is a Hakka and can’t speak Taiwanese . In order to get rid of the Kuomintang , they accept it as usual. Then the Republic of China wins in Taiwan and takes away a lot of votes from us. What about us? Well, we won’t vote. What do you think ? Is there a way ? Zhu Lilun apologizes and steps down, and finds someone from the blue camp to take over as party chairman, and then a deep blue with grassroots mobilization power I want to ask you a simple question. Does Zhu Lilun have the mobilization power of the deep blue? The strongest deep blue is of course Han Guoyu, and the second is Zhao Shaokang. We only have these two right now, right ? Isn’t it simple for these two to come out and mobilize? Now the former lieutenant general of Huangpu , General Luo, has started to make trouble again against the Army Academy Alumni Association. So , Zhu Lilun ‘s more than 100 tables , is that the base camp of Huangfuxing ? My father is also Huangfuxing. I used to be a member of Huangfuxing. No matter now, it has become more difficult for Zhu to make trouble. Do you know whether Zhu is considered a deep blue ? He is definitely not. Zhu is definitely a light blue. And Zhu is what should be called? It should be called The pro-American faction is not pro-China in the Kuomintang , so what should we do now ? Now, I, Zhu, I’m so confused now . So now, in addition to what I just said about the entire recall case, you know, you have to have an attitude towards those suspected of plagiarism, how to integrate the deep blue votes to settle Huangfuxing , and move to the middle and reduce the hatred value. Now the chairman wants to do this, okay? Have you ever heard of a saying that you must face death in order to survive? Do you think they have reached this point now ? I think otherwise, look at the schedule I just read out all the way to July. If the vote is on July 26th and early August, then I will remind you all along the way, remind you of Keelung There is another case where Zhang Yuanxiang assisted you, which has not been handled. The civil affairs department will make the people hate it even more . Ming Liangzhen has already been sued on May 14. Zhang Yuanxiang’s use of the civil affairs system to sell citizens’ personal information will make the people hate him even more . I will say one more thing. The votes on July 26 or August 2 will be on the KMT ‘s established schedule for the chairman election. The July announcement is about the election in September and the handover in October, etc. So this is an opportunity for the KMT. I think, but now it seems that the impact of what I just said on 3Q on the KMT will have a great impact on the domestic recall battle. What kind of influence? But every time I see something, I have to ask you how you feel. For example, Chuan Bo said that if a legislator does not do a good job, you should just tolerate him for 4 years. I have to ask you how you feel when you hear this. It’s okay. Taiwanese people have tolerated the Kuomintang for more than 70 years , but he didn’t tolerate you for 4 years. That’s not the Kuomintang’s problem. This just connects us to the previous topic, which is what is deep blue. If the ideology of deep blue cannot meet the needs of middle-class voters , then there are two possibilities. One is that deep blue is far from the middle, and the other is that there are many deep blues. Is Yan Kuanheng considered a deep blue? Everyone says that It is a deep blue difficult constituency. Is it considered deep blue? It is actually a local blue , so it has many deep blues. Is this also a problem? Then there is combat blue and what about military blue? Well, why can’t the Kuomintang apologize? I just thought about it for a while, but I couldn’t think of examples quickly. I thought of several in one breath. The main key is recall. The melody rhythm is hot war . How can I ask you to apologize? Your apology will hurt me. Two questions: Which is more important, the party central committee or the legislators? Now when I turn on the TV, I can only see the regional legislators . Who is the Kuomintang deputy secretary? I almost forgot who Huang Jianting is . Fortunately, he came out today. The deputy secretary-general and the deputy secretary-general. There are Li Yanxiu and Jiang Junting. Thank you. Who else? We don’t even know the living fossils . How can we ordinary people know that the Party Central Committee has disappeared? If the Party Central Committee disappears, the legislators will take the lead and of course the main focus is on recall. So the legislators said that you can’t apologize. Of course, of course, why don’t you slow down , turn off the engine , or stop the car when turning ? Because you feel that the end is in front of you. As a result, you pedal for half an hour and the end is getting farther and farther away. Everyone is telling you that the car has stalled and you should stop the car quickly. Turn off the engine quickly. No, no, why? The brake line has been cut and the accelerator is stuck. So he can’t apologize. Apologize. I just want to ask Huang Lu Jinru to apologize or Zhong Xiaoping to apologize. Are you legislators? Are you impeached now? Why can you help us decide ? It’s stuck. Didn’t Jiang Wanan go in and talk about overthrowing the cabinet ? Jiang Wanan and the man who went to the Taipei District Prosecutors Office joined everyone that day. I am the father of three children. That day, he talked about overthrowing the cabinet. The two words only came from Jiang Wanan’s mouth. No one behind him said anything. No legislators paid attention to him. Jiang Wanan is old enough, right? Heir to the throne, mayor of Taipei? No one paid attention to him . The biggest problem for legislators now is that legislators are fighting. When legislators are fighting , you have to know that there is another biggest strategic mistake. Who is the ruling party, the Democratic Progressive Party? The Democratic Progressive Party is on the defensive, and the Kuomintang is on the offensive . In war, you need to have a siege. Theoretically, you need to have good weapons. The catapult is like a great recall. As a result, there are catapults fired from the city. The catapults I brought were purchased online. Sorry, I have to correct it here. All the ones I bought online are broken. The problem is that you want to use such high-tech siege weapons to attack today. When you do this damage , you find that the back is made of paper. Then the real siege weapons are all on the other side. So what does the situation of the attackers and defenders look like today ? The problem lies here . Li Sichuan said that he does not understand politics. I actually think that to explain this matter, we should explain it in reverse. What is the antonym of politics? So I’m thinking about this. What is the antonym of politics? If you analyze politics, whether it is explained in Chinese or English, politics is the management of public affairs , the determination of power distribution, etc. Its opposite is Power and Powerless, Rights and No Rights , Public and Private , and another very important one is Nature and Neutral , which means nature and neutrality . In other words, in politics, it is not about democracy and dictatorship. In politics, it is the distribution of power in public affairs, which shows the most natural ideas. But what is the antonym of politics? It means that you have no private power and you have to have no position . If you have no position, you are falsely neutral. You do not have any opinions. What does it mean? It means to give up, give up your vote , give up your rights , give up your opinions, and you are the deputy mayor over there. Do you understand what I mean? He said this today to the middle voters. You all give up, but I want that right. This is reasonable. Everyone participates together. In our democratic society, everyone votes for Chiang Wan-an. Chiang Wan-an asked you to be the deputy mayor. This is how you got your position. If you don’t understand politics , resign. If any politician says that he doesn’t understand politics, resign. Don’t treat the people as easy to deceive. I have always hated this kind of representative of public opinion. Politicians treat the people as fools. What do you mean by “I don’t understand politics”? You are a government official, not a government official. Just explain clearly that I have a different political stance from the DPP, so they think it should be that way, but I think it’s better this way. Wang Hongwei is our good legislator. Isn’t it good to support her like this? What do you mean by “I don’t understand politics”? You don’t understand politics. Why are you going there? You are going there to be a mascot. Please, Li Sichuan, are you well-known when you walk in the vegetable market? Only the deep blue people know you. To put it more rudely, it’s like this. So, to be honest, many politicians, except for the representatives on the front line, on TV , in debates, and on the news, most of them don’t know you, Li Si. Does Chuan have a ticket to go there? If not, why do you do that? Use your opportunity on stage or when you have political power to tell the people why you are better than others . What do you mean by “I don’t understand politics”? That means I don’t know what’s so good about Wang Hongwei. So from this perspective, I still think that the only profession in the world that will drag down its peers is called political workers. If I were a painter and he was a painter, we all hope that everyone would respect painters. I am a lawyer and he is a lawyer, and I also hope that everyone would respect the legal profession. Apart from Weng Xiaoling, Wu Zongxian and Huang Kuochang, there is only one person who will drag others down, and that is political workers. Who is better at lying and who is better at twisting? Qu Fatiao is better than me in not understanding politics. Your job is politics. I don’t understand this. I don’t have a major, but I don’t know why I got to this position. You can sleep well after saying this. You won’t be embarrassed. Li Sichuan, you have children, right? How do you tell your children that your father’s job is because I don’t understand that major. I do professional work inexplicably. OK , what should I make up for? I think the problem with Zhu Lilun is that he was kidnapped by Huang Kuo-chang. Why is it Huang Kuo-chang ? Today, a new poll came out. If you see me as Zhu Lilun, I will also be kidnapped by Huang Kuo -chang. Today, You Yinglong’s poll pointed out that the support rate of the Kuomintang is only 20% , and the People’s Party has risen to 15%. That is to say, the People’s Party and the Kuomintang are close. The Democratic Party and the People’s Party are almost on equal footing, so any of his actions will be considered by Huang Kuo-chang ‘s position of the People’s Party . In fact, he can apologize very simply this time , but has he ever tied it to Huang Kuo-chang’s Ko case before? The 426 Judicial Mutual Assistance Conference is about forged documents . I support your Ko case and you support my case. So if he apologizes for the forged documents in the judicial system, is it equivalent to giving up on Ko Wen-je? This is a dilemma for Chu Li-lun . So I speak for Chu Li-lun. Can he apologize? Of course he can apologize , but he has a myth. He has been superstitious for a long time in the past few years as the party chairman . The blue and white will win if they work together . But the current practice is that he is constantly kidnapped by Huang Kuo-chang and keeps walking with the deep blue. As a result, he violates the positions of the middle voters, the knowledge blue, the economic blue, and instead keeps leaning towards the so-called Huang Kuo-chang’s position. When he leans towards the position of the People’s Party, what is the value of the KMT ? So the more he relies on the People’s Party, the more votes he loses. But he has to do this. The result is that today , we are talking about Huang Kuo-chang first announcing that he would not attend the National Security Conference, and then Zhu Lilun followed two hours later. Huang Kuo-chang Shang Gong, can I ask the first one ? If we follow what Yishan said just now, the KMT, Zhu Lilun and others Will he be kidnapped by Huang Kuo-chang or the White Camp? Because the polls also show that about 30% of Xiaocao wants to recall the blue committee members. If this is the case , shouldn’t the Kuomintang look at Huang Kuo-chang’s face? But apart from this, ask about the alternative polls. The media has been saying that in the third stage of the revision, 5 and 7 seats will be recalled. The alternative polls in that place say that it has reached 10 seats. Huang Kuo-chang’s question is actually that if you look at the polls conducted by the friendly Taiwan to see the satisfaction of Xu Qiaoxin as a chairman , 30% is a very consistent number . If you look at the satisfaction of a newspaper as a chairman , 30% is a very consistent number. Xu Qiaoxin has 27 % of the White Camp agree to recall. Then you look at Chairman Huang Kuo-chang’s satisfaction rate of 69% and the satisfaction rate of party supporters of 69%. So if you look at a few cross-sectional views, the 20% to 30% range is not something Huang Kuo-chang can swing . It is exactly 20% to 30%. It is not something that Huang Kuo-chang’s charm can shake or command . So if you look at it from that side and from a few polls, I think the existence of this number is basically meaningful for reference. From the satisfaction of the chairman to the attitude of the White Camp in the polls of several people , it can be used as a reference . Since Huang Kuo-chang’s satisfaction rate as chairman was 69% , and you saw that Xu Qiaoxin and others had votes from the White Camp in the election , such a situation Do you still think that you can really call back those 20% or 30% with Huang Kuo-chang? I don’t think it can be called back. I don’t think it can be called back. So is there any point in being in agreement with him or not? I think you are doubting how many more votes can be mobilized to help the blue camp. I think it will even become less and less. I said why . In fact, we have seen at least two polls in this period of time . The favorability of the Democratic Progressive Party is higher than that of the Kuomintang , or the performance of the legislator is better and the favorability is higher than that of the Kuomintang. Will this form a change? The supporters of Xiaocao are watching the Kuomintang collapse. At this stage, my polls are gradually rising and even surpassing yours. Should I let you continue to grow stronger and suppress me? In fact, it will become a question for everyone to think about. Will it become a variable? So I said he insisted. I think Huang Kuo-chang is also unable to unify the entire Kuomintang and the supporters of the People’s Party. Just like the Kuomintang doesn’t care about the deep blue, light blue, and intellectual blue. You can’t unify them if they stand together. The same principle applies . So I think about 60% to 70%. About 70%. 75% is the highest mobilization ability of the white camp . Now the local gambling is really up to 10 seats. Before, 5 seats were opened. The 5 seats opened in Taichung. 5 seats are probably when the second stage is in good condition . It was probably just after the second stage that 5 seats were opened. After 5 seats were opened, it was during the petition fever until the 31st when the Kuomintang had not suffered such a terrible defeat. That one should be from the central and slightly blue counties and cities. 7 seats were opened. Until now, we can probably confirm that it is 0. The whole adjustment plus the DPP’s whole intervention, the whole decision to intervene, the whole pulse, and then it became 10 again because with the strike group and the relative status of the DPP, the more you see the DPP’s situation, the more positive it is , and then you see the status of the lawsuits in the KMT, etc. That will affect the state of the opening. The opening is like this. I must block 5 seats because everyone thinks there are too many chances of more than 5 seats. When it is one-sided to 7, I may have to block the cards, and then open 7 next. If there are too many bets above 7 or too many on one side, he will block them again and adjust the plate upwards. To a certain extent, he will adjust his plate according to the people who bet. OK, what I just talked about is the alternative polls in the local area. I would like to remind everyone one more thing. Gambling is not good. I still want to remind everyone. But there is a paragraph in Shang Gong’s speech just now. With the degree of involvement of the Democratic Progressive Party , all the polls will probably observe this to a certain extent . The media reported on the DPP in this blog post. As you all know , Mr. Tsao Hsing-cheng met with Chairman Lai Ching-te last week . Shen Bo-yang said that he only met with Chairman Lai to let him know about the recall process. But the media also said that the DPP is now going to launch an all-out war, including the first focus on the Hualien Fu Kun-chi constituency, right? I don’t think there is such a thing as an all-out war. In fact, my statement from the beginning to the end has been consistent, and it is really like this . The public opinion for this recall is overwhelming , and we are helping the recall group as volunteers , it’s that simple. Now the public resentment against the KMT is… Let me give you an example . The problem that the Kuomintang is facing now is that in many places even their supporters don’t like their current legislators. I’ll just give you an example. I also saw a poll recently and I was also surprised. You said that people like Li Yanxiu from Ganghu, including Xu Qiaoxin , including Lai Shibao . Lai Shibao from Wenshan District, I tell you , if you look at the poll, I will definitely come out to vote. I believe that if he had seen the poll, Lai Shibao himself would think, how could this be? Lai Shibao’s Wenshan District had a strike group there , and they were told by others, “ This is Wenshan District, how dare you come?” Even now in Wenshan District, I think Lai Shibao is very dangerous, but you said the last thing. We never dare to overestimate how many seats we will have in the end, because this is determined by public opinion. Let me explain why this happened. I think it was the KMT itself who added fuel to the fire every day. Let me give you a simple example. Is it really that difficult to apologize? I really find it incredible. You know, the KMT still blames some problems , such as what I just said, on the Huangfuxing Party Department. Because this was kidnapped by the deep blue camp, I tell you that there are many uncles in the Huangfuxing Party Department. Of course, they have their own ideology. I think there is nothing wrong with this and there is nothing to say about it. Everyone has their own background, but I think that when it comes to right and wrong values, I I think these uncles and aunts still have a certain sense of right and wrong. They say that this thing is wrong and illegal. There is no need to argue about it . It has nothing to do with blue or green , and it has nothing to do with your ideology. It is so serious that the Kuomintang still blames it on the fact that they were kidnapped by the group of people in the Huangfuxing Party Department , so they have no way to apologize. I think this is very unfair to these uncles and aunts in the Huangfuxing Party Department . I think they certainly don’t like the Democratic Progressive Party or something. This has their background or some long-term accumulated grievances. But when faced with such a clear-cut matter of right and wrong , I tell you that many of the uncles in the military dependents’ villages that I know may have a stronger sense of justice than ordinary people . So don’t talk about being kidnapped by the deep blue. I think it’s very simple. For these things, Zhu Lilun should at least apologize . If you don’t want to apologize, at least you should take action to say that this matter has nothing to do with the Central Party Department or him personally. So if you want to punish these people according to party discipline, you should always have an attitude. He didn’t. I think that all along, when Ma Ying-jeou was punishing Wang Jinping, he acted so quickly. The party discipline was like the Discipline Inspection Commission could hold a meeting at any time , and then they would kill him as soon as possible. But now I see The entire KMT’s Disciplinary Committee seems to be lying on the side of the road, as if they were drunk and fell asleep or something. They have so many serious problems. Think about it, isn’t the Huang Lu Jinru incident today a big blow to the KMT’s reputation? It’s very serious , but for them, they are as unmoved as a mountain. And before, I was going to talk about the incident of taking the Nazi image. The KMT ‘s members are their young members, and they didn’t deal with it at all. Frankly speaking, this person should have been expelled from the party long ago in our party, so how could it be until now? But you see that they have expelled people from the party for all the things they have done . What about Zhu Lilun being condemned by the international community and Hitler being condemned by the international community? What about Zhu Lilun? So he can’t deal with it, right? So this is the KMT’s current problem. So you say that the KMT, you really can’t find any scapegoats or anything. We are all kidnapped by the deep blue, but is this actually the case? I tell you, including this time when Fei Hongtai used to be a legislator in that district, and now Xu Qiaoxin is in that district. Why is the number of signatures in that district so high ? I tell you, I told the KMT that the KMT doesn’t believe that many of the people signed on their own. Why? Because they think that although our district is a relatively blue district , I don’t think they think Xu Qiaoxin can… The KMT is the best candidate to represent the KMT. This includes Wenshan District and Ganghu District. There is such an atmosphere now , but I think the KMT has not observed it. So I think if this continues, in the end, if you ask me how many seats you can recall or how many seats the recall group can recall, I really don’t know. But I only know that the KMT’s daily actions are adding fuel to the fire for the recall group. But Xiaoping is against the KMT. Now there are many members who want to be recalled. Of course, there is one person like Xu Xinying in the media today. But Xu Xinying is not among those who are to be recalled. But eight legislators did not succeed. There are eight. The legislators said that now they will start to strike against the strike group or something. In other words, the Kuomintang will not only defend the land battle and the living room meeting, but also use the so-called lawsuit to stop the dispute. Is that I will use the lawsuit to fight the following battle? Because you see the process , including that a few days ago , Xu Qiaoxin asked if anyone mentioned him about illegal construction. He also said that if there are rumors, he will sue . Now it is the next stage. Is this also a model of the Kuomintang? In addition, I just mentioned that there is a problem with the petition. Today, Hsinchu also played a certain role in the news. On the one hand, it is like Lin Zhijie. The professor said that there is an audio file of Zheng Zhengqian saying that someone who used to be his assistant accused him of something . But on the other hand, I saw a newspaper saying that they wanted to recall Gao Hongan because Hsinchu was a double recall, Gao Hongan and Zheng Zhengqian signed two signatures, the mayor signed the legislator . Then there was a report in a newspaper in Hsinchu saying that because they each signed more than 50,000 signatures , about 10,000 signatures were invalid, right? Actually , the head of the household registration department of Hsinchu City is reviewing the 50,000 recall signatures, and said that the more than 10,000 signatures may be forged or flawed and invalid. It ‘s a big deal, a big deal, because everyone has seen this in the newspaper today. There is this report today. According to the source, but if it is released today, it will be very clear tomorrow. If it comes out from the household registration office, Lin Zhijie and others will be in trouble. This is groundless , but a newspaper like this will not make such a big news if anyone says something . So, let’s just say that Zheng Zhengqian’s contact with the Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council seems to be sued if it is made public, which is risky. Similarly, these more than 10,000 copies are also risky. This is back to the next focus, not Huang Lu Jinru , but the new I think that because Hsinchu City is so special , we are accused here. I think if it is true, if it is not true, we should file a lawsuit. If we keep silent, our legislators will be hurt slowly . If they really have more than 10,000 fake signatures, it will be a big deal. It will severely damage the morale of the Democratic Progressive Party. Wait, this paragraph will be supplemented. Because every time you talk about the strike group, because we all know that the signatures are actually serious during the strike group process , so just now everyone joked that the counterfeiting rate of the Kuomintang in the strike group is basically the same as the pass rate of the strike group. But this news just now Xiaoping said that because the media that wrote it is also a famous family The big party is about that newspaper. So have you ever asked about invalid signatures? Are they forged documents? They are two different things. Some invalid signatures are in the first stage . The first stage is 1%. Because in the second stage , each strike group will actually encourage everyone to sign, including the first stage. If you have signed , it doesn’t matter. I will let the so-called local election committee to eliminate it. So there is about 10% of the so-called possible duplicate signatures. So among these more than 50,000 copies, because there are a total of 100,000 copies, the two add up to 100,000. If there are 10,000 copies , in fact, among the 10,000 copies and 20%, you have to look at the actual situation. Some are wrong in address, some are wrong in name. For example, the election committee of Nantou County uses the so-called name. It must be written in block letters, otherwise it will be considered wrong. So what exactly is the wrong form is very important. So what exactly is the wrong form is very important. Why is the Kuomintang’s matter so serious that it was used as a breakthrough by the so-called prosecutors and investigators ? The key point is the signature of the deceased because the deceased cannot sign. So the signature of the deceased is definitely a forged document. As a result, not only the signature of the deceased is a forged document, but all of it is a forged document. 95% of them are forged documents. So what I want to see is that if there is an error in the local election committee, report it and what form it takes. We should pay special attention to it. If it is just the name that is written wrong, if it is just the address that is written wrong, this thing cannot be said to be a forged document. It is only part of the invalid signature. And they sent more than 50,000 deductions. Except for 10,000, more than 40,000 signatures also passed the so-called threshold of signatures. We can still continue the third stage of voting. Let’s talk about Xiaoping. I am also an old hand at signatures. Because Hsinchu has a population of more than 400,000 people, and one legislator is usually 300,000, right ? It has a population of more than 400,000, which is one and a half seats. Nantou has exactly more than 500,000 people , which is divided into two, one with more than 200,000 people. Very few people sign. So if we eliminate more than 10,000 signatures, then we will use the standard of Nantou or wait, and then eliminate 4,000 signatures. If the first one is not good enough, it will not succeed. There is no problem of lawsuit. The 20% strike group is so rigorous. If they are connected , their 20% is definitely not just a matter of quantity . There may be fraud or other special circumstances. Because their second- level and first-level scores are all over 90, and there is 10% or 12% of the second-level that are unqualified. I think 20% is reasonable. That list may be a little strange. The one checked today is called Hsinchu City. It is still Gao Hongan’s acting mayor. That is the media. I think this is worth watching closely. It seems that A-Miao, the next two are the first. There are 8 members of the Kuomintang who said that they will use litigation to resolve many such issues. Of course, some people are also saying that the entire Legislative Yuan is now proposing to postpone the meeting. The White Camp is proposing to postpone the meeting. Will it be until August? What kind of impact will these have on the future big recall or even the strike group? Another question, I would like to ask the AI ​​audio file broadcast by Huang Kuo-chang . He directly said today that A-Miao, is it because there are no lawyers who actually practice law ? I don’t know the situation on the scene. A-Miao, when the “tail rice” incident happened 20 years ago, I was a high school student. At that time, I had not yet been admitted to the law school of National Taiwan University. Why do you still remember the “tail rice”? You are so young. This is amazing, because that incident was really It shocked the society so much. And I live in Wenshan District , which is very close to my home. Everyone accused that incident , so I told you about this incident. It’s not right to be a tail-end meal. It’s not right to be a tail-end meal. This high school student knows the basic moral values . Do you have to take a lawyer’s license to have morality? Do all the compatriots in the country who have not passed the lawyer’s license have no basic moral values? I don’t know what he is asking about. Secondly, the time I have been a legislator is actually longer than that of Huang Kuo-chang. Really, I have been a legislator for one term and now my second term is longer than his time as a legislator. Really, I am just talking about a very simple thing. Was his questioning yesterday qualified? Was his questioning qualified? If you have something real, just show it . Miao, let me interject first. When he responded at the beginning today, he said, ” Miao Boya, have you read my questioning from beginning to end?” Of course , he read his questioning from beginning to end, so I know very clearly that the first one, he did not mention it at all before the broadcast. He said , “Minister, let me play a simulated audio file.” He did not mention it before the broadcast. He said at the end after the broadcast and discussion, and then finally, “Don’t be nervous, this is just a demonstration tape .” Isn’t that a tail meal? He also said it was a simulation at that time. Wang Yucheng’s assistant said that because we can’t follow the filming, so I asked actors to simulate it. The meaning is the same , but now it is advanced . Tail Meal 2.0 is made by AI. That’s it. The second thing, as a legislator, I think if you want to question, you should take out the real thing. If you can’t take out the real thing, you can’t use counterfeit. It’s that simple. You said that sometimes , for example, you can’t take out the real thing , you have to use animation simulation. I think it is a very simple principle that you should know at a glance that everyone knows that this is a simulation and not live. But yesterday I watched the news and you know The news report of the friendly station directly put Zhu Yahu’s face on the key of this segment , and wrote below that the source of the voice was the female prosecutor and Zhu Yahu. Even the media were confused by your fake. Why didn’t you write a big ” simulated audio file is not real” on your questioning? This is basic, right ? So I think this is to say that as a representative of the people, you have the right to freedom of speech when questioning , so you should ensure that the content of your questioning is true. If he really took out the transcript to ask today , or even if the interrogation disc was really taken out and he said that this is the real interrogation disc , if there is really unfair interrogation , we will applaud him because he exposed corruption. Before I entered politics, I worked on major wrongful cases for many years. So Huang Kuo-chang said that I have no practical experience. Let me tell you, I have seen the evidence of unfair interrogation, and the transcripts and even the audio files are no less than Huang Kuo-chang. What did we do at that time? Every time we hold a press conference, if we want to accuse the prosecutors of being malicious, or the police or prisoners, we must play the audio files if there are any, and play the images if there are any. It is impossible for you to hold a press conference to accuse the prosecutors of being malicious, and then the media will report it and then say that no, it was our simulation, it was fake. It is impossible to do this. So I was very surprised and asked, does Huang Kuo-chang think that doing this can help his party gain points , or help his so-called judicial reform demands gain points? We just discussed for so long about the Kuomintang’s fake petitions . Now they feel that they are justified in facing the fake petitions , right ? The DPP has gone too far. What if we fabricate something? Similarly, you can go and make a post saying that the ruling party has gone too far, so these opposition parties fabricate something. I think this will make people have a worse impression. Frankly speaking, it ’s like those legislators who you said are going to be recalled. In order to suppress this recall , you said that if you dare to say anything, I will sue you all. In fact, these legislators know very well that this lawsuit will definitely not have any results before the vote. In fact, these legislators know very well that this lawsuit will definitely not have any results before the vote. So his lawsuit is not to clear his name, but to make all the people dare not comment on him. Do you dare to comment on me ? Do you have a lawyer’s license? If you dare to comment on me, be careful or I will sue you. That’s it. I think it ‘s strange that politicians in a democratic country can be criticized by the public. I won’t ask if you have a law degree from National Taiwan University . It’s impossible to ask people like that, right? So I think the blue and white parties really need to calm down and think about one thing. When people say they want supervision , they want rational supervision. I believe that if I use a synthesized audio file to question Chiang Wan-an or used a synthesized audio file to question Ko Wen-je in the past, the voices of criticism will definitely come one after another. I must accept and face these criticisms. In the past, I have seen members of our parliament question Ko Wen-je with real audio files. At that time, Ko Wen-je Ko’s supporters also scolded the councillor, saying how could you bring out the audio file . Now they are saying that the audio file. Today I also saw Xu Fu saying that this is called questioning skills. He said that you don’t talk about this first, but bring it out later to see the minister panic. This is called questioning skills. I’m just asking a very simple question. Okay, when someone brought the audio file to question Ko Wen-je, they said why didn’t you say this is questioning skills ? Or now all our TV programs and all the councillors can synthesize the audio file of Ko Wen-je riding a flywheel in the mayor’s office to collect 3 million yuan according to the content of Ko Wen-je’s indictment , and then broadcast it. Then this is called questioning skills. You can’t accept it. After this kind of thing, I think we should not confuse such very basic moral values ​​for politics. This is something that high school students should understand. If you have a doctorate and still want to do a tailgate questioning, then you are really unworthy of your high education. OK Shang Public Court will often use this method? No, it’s very simple. No, because they won’t ask fake things… What does he want to highlight? In fact, he basically first asked you whether there was any improper interrogation or even threats and intimidation. Later, he just said that it was a demonstration tape. It’s a very simple thing. What did his demonstration tape say in the title? Did it mention Zhu Yahu ? His title directly said prosecutor and Zhu Yahu. Why did the prosecutor ask Zhu Yahu ? Isn’t it Jinghuacheng ? Isn’t Jinghuacheng now in a lawsuit? He is now revealing a thing. You see, prosecutors use intimidation and threats to obtain testimony, harming Abei. He is doing political manipulation. But you said that such a way of asking, in fact, I have never seen such an approach in all my years in the Legislative Yuan . That is, the information you provide may not be correct, and then you ask whether to ask some content , but the information provided by his source may not be correct , but he is not. I took the real information and altered it. Then I took this It’s not like that to ask you . I’m going to say today that we were still discussing Weng Xiaoling a few days ago. We didn’t take the information communication case that was circulated on the Chinese Internet and asked Gu Lixiong whether it was true or false. I want to ask you a question in return . Weng Xiaoling, do you think it is true or false? If you think it is false, then there is no need to ask. If you think it is true , then you should not ask publicly. Because since you are asking whether the confidential information is true, you should not ask publicly . The reason is that simple. You took a fake thing today and asked whether it was violence , whether it was intimidation , and whether it was false. Then after asking, I told you that it was fake . Then today I talked about it for a whole day and a half and said, “I told you about the clock.” Xiaoping killed people outside yesterday. He killed two people. What do you think he should be sentenced to? Zhong Xiaoping then said that I was just giving an example. Zhong Xiaoping didn’t kill anyone. I don’t think this is the right way to ask because I’m on good terms with him so I used him as an example . But when you say that, I really want to kill you . Are you kidding? I think I know that the freedom of speech does not include whether you can use fake things to ask the heads of departments this question. The second one now says no. This is my demonstration. I would like to ask if the Northern District Prosecutors Office moved all the physical evidence to the court during the interrogation. The lawyer can retrieve all the files. Which file is real or fake? The Northern District Prosecutors Office knows best. The Northern District Prosecutors Office knows best what can be found out , because after the Northern District Prosecutors Office asked them questions, they sorted out the tapes and sent them to the court . If they hadn’t sent them out, the lawyers wouldn’t have been able to retrieve them. Whether it’s true or false, the Northern District Prosecutors Office knows best what can be found out , because after the Northern District Prosecutors Office asked them questions, they sorted out the tapes and sent them to the court. If they hadn’t sent them out , the lawyers wouldn’t have been able to retrieve them . After the files are sent to the court, the Northern District Prosecutors Office has the obligation to come out and say whether it’s true or false. If the Northern District Prosecutors Office confirms that it’s true , Huang Kuo-chang, you blatantly lied when you questioned him, saying that it was a demonstration tape and it wasn’t true. Wasn’t it a blatant lie ? He said the backing tape was okay , wasn’t it? Did he say no, it was a demonstration tape? Wasn’t it a blatant lie ? He said Zhong Xiaoping gave it to him and he didn’t know. No matter what, if that was true , it was a blatant lie. True or false, both are problems. Of course, true or false, of course, both are problems . Moreover , this is an immoral questioning, which is equivalent to one point of deception, because he had to see the minister’s reaction first, right? One point is that he is deceiving . This kind of questioning is very bad. It’s not a rational one. If you start today like Miao Boya said, Minister, let me ask you, the following disc is a demonstration, it is simulated Do you think the prosecutor’s tone of questioning is good? Once you make this point, everyone has no problem with it. Of course, the problem is not that. Apart from this, Xiaoping came to ask the Kuomintang for 30 seconds. Do you think the Kuomintang made up its mind not to attend the national security briefing from the beginning? Because today, everyone will talk about the schedule. The People’s Party announced first that they would not attend. Then , about two hours later, the Kuomintang’s secretary-general came out and explained for a long time. We called him and asked him if the first half hour could be made public instead of the entire process. But the government refused. So unfortunately, we didn’t go this time because many people in the Kuomintang asked why they should participate in the process. It has become like this. If you go now, will it be beneficial to the atmosphere of common hatred against the enemy? Some people even said that the government was setting up a trap or something. Do you think the Kuomintang should not go at all? I advocate not to go, but Zhu Lilun is still hesitating whether to go or not . He even wants to go a little, but Zhu Lilun was arrested by Huang. Kuo-chang blackened Huang Kuo-chang. As I said before, some are public and some are not. It seems like we are back to the procedure, right? Then we are back to the wrong strategy. He just doesn’t want to go from the beginning to the end. May I ask why he doesn’t want to go at all ? He wants to attack Lai’s first brand. If you go, it seems like you will become a traitor of the Blue and White faction . He has a lot of tricks. We still want the Blue and White faction… But he blackened Chu Li-lun in this small matter. He will also blacken Chu Li-lun in big matters, okay? So we are both fighting and cooperating. What is the relationship between us and the White faction? Because he has been absorbing your nutrients, and it becomes a nest of votes. Later, you can see that your votes are called I drop while the White faction rises, and the Blue faction drops while the White faction rises. This operation is somewhat dangerous. So now, has he got it? You see, now we not only don’t get any extra points , but we also follow behind others. He doesn’t go, and then you say you don’t want to go. But we don’t go because we think about not going at the last minute. But he , no matter how the news presents it , he doesn’t go first, and we don’t go later, so we will be weakened. My opinion is this. In this blog post, how do you view the ruling party on this whole matter in 30 seconds? We think it’s a pity , really, the president . I think the general The reunification really showed goodwill. I hope that we can talk to the opposition party about national security issues and let them understand the national situation. Although there is competition in the country, we must be united in the outside world. This is the motivation. But I didn’t expect that the two largest parties, the Kuomintang and the People’s Party, would not want to come. So this shows that in the past, they kept talking about Lai Qingde and Lai Qingde all day long. They were not sincere and called him a dictator. Now the dictator you mentioned is willing to have a good talk with you and tell you about the national security situation, but you still refuse. I think this is a pity. I think Zhu Lilun wanted to go, but Zhu Lilun didn’t go in the end. I can only say that there is a very vivid saying that people will walk away if they don’t listen to ghosts. For the future of the country as a whole, it seems that this game will be broken tomorrow. After the game is broken, on Friday, June 20, the Central Election Commission will announce how many seats of blue camp legislators will enter the third stage. After the battlefield is officially opened, what will happen to each camp? We will all wait and see . Thank you very much to all the guests and the audience for watching the news face to face. See you tomorrow. Bye Bye

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