ジェシー・マルセル・シニアがロストインタビューでロズウェルのすべてを明かす（未公開のUFO証言）

ジェシー・マルセル・シニアがロストインタビューでロズウェルのすべてを明かす（未公開のUFO証言）

Welcome to all Patreon subscribers. You have been granted top secret majestic clearance to the following content. It is for your eyes and ears only. Thank you for your cooperation. How you first find out about the crash at the ranch. Oh. Uh how I did the sheriff was in my office and just about lunchtime. I went to the office club to and I ordered lunch and just I sat down to eat the sheriff of work of uh of that county called me and uh he told me what he had a rancher there in his office that he would ask me to talk to. I said well I’ll be there to be there in a few minutes. So I didn’t I didn’t finish eating. He told me he found something on his ranch that would be would bear investigating. So I got in my staff car and drove out to the sheriff’s office. And there there I met this Mr. Brazil would come to town to sell to do two things. Sell his wool all his sheep and also buy a new pickup truck. Uhhuh. And I talked to him quite a while. And uh he told what he had. So I said, “Well, fine.” I said, “Well, you you wait for us here and uh I’ll go and get somebody to go along with me and we’ll follow you.” Me main meantime, I I told my commanding officer that uh what had happened and he said, “Well, go ahead and find out.” After all, that was my duty. And uh so we followed about cross country about 35 40 miles I guess. No road just cross country. We just followed his truck till we got to his shack where he lived. We got there very late in the evening. Too late to do anything. So we sat down at a meal with open a can of corn and oh beans and rice. Okay. And uh we ate and we discussed it quite a bit. He told me quite a bit. He he knew exactly what it was. He said, “Well, we get up early tomorrow morning and go out there.” What did he tell you he had seen? Pardon? Now, this was even before you went out the next morning. What What did he tell you he thought he saw? He said he told me he had heard what he thought was an explosion, although they had they had thunder, lightning, and said he didn’t pay too much attention to it. Okay. But then when he found when he went out the next morning, he saw this all this debris scattered all over. And that afternoon he came to town and he told the sheriff about it. So that’s how we got to it. H And you were at the time you were the intelligence officer on the base. Is that right? That’s right. I had charge of intelligence and security with the entire base. That was the first atomic bomb group by the way. Ah yes. And uh so it went on from that. And so then the next morning you woke up and where did you go? Well, we went out to the scene of uh where the crash was and we started picking up the debris. See, I brought I brought one of my common intellig intelligence man with me and uh we brought a my staff car plus a chip carry which is equivalent to pickup truck. Well, we got everything we could in that and then to I said the the CIC agent going back to the base and I stayed with Mr. Brazelle quite a bit. That’s why I refilled I filled up my car with stuff. H and uh it was kind of separate maybe 8:00 in the evening before I got back home. My wife didn’t even know where I was. Ah yes. And uh by the time I got back home, my wife, this is what happened to you. There’s been a bunch of news reporters out here wanting a picture of you for what? And uh then the the or the public relations officer was with him. See, he said, well, he said, from what happened, he said, your your husband will be very popular by tomorrow morning. Uh-oh, brother. He let it out to the press. See, and uh so that’s how it all started. H Can you describe uh the materials that you found on the site? Uh it’s almost indescribable. It’s not the kind of material that I seen in my life, nor have I seen it since. It’s not nothing that I could recognize as anything. They had various types of materials which I couldn’t identify any of it. Uh little members that looked like made made of wood and uh but it was not wood. It’s flexible but not uh wouldn’t even burn even. And uh what amazed me the most of all is the the weightlessness of of all his material. It weighed nothing. I found one piece of metal, supposedly metal anyway, which is about maybe a foot wide and about 2 and 1/2 ft, maybe two two and a half ft long. And uh, of course, I brought it back to the base and uh, I had uh, my boys, I had flock of interested men working for me. And uh, we brought the whole thing into the the briefing room, set up a whole lot of tables there. and one one boy pretty ingenious guy. He says, “Let me see if I can put some of those parts together to see what the thing might have looked like.” Well, I said, “Well, go ahead.” Of course, then I had other Jews that do work at it. And uh he came back and said, “Major,” he said, “I can’t fit anything together. You can’t you can’t get any idea what the thing look like.” So, I I consulted my CO. So then Mio said uh what you better do is fly the thing to uh right Patterson Airfield in Detroit. So we ordered the whole thing a B29 and uh which was not a whole lot of material. I mean after all just what a pickup truck will hold and what I put there in my car was no lot of it. Yeah. Fact we we didn’t pick up oh we only picked up one small fraction of what was out there. that scatters over such an area. It’s about oh I said 3/4 of a mile long and 700 ft wide but we were busy all day long picking up the stuff small fragments and uh we got back to the base with it and uh that’s how it is. But the next morning my co told me to go ahead and fly to uh Wright Madison. I said well don’t you think it would be a good idea to stop at Coswell Fort Worth and consult the general general Remy? He said, “Yeah, you better do that.” So when I got to Fort Worth, General Lemon was not there. He was He had gone down to southern Texas and I had to wait a couple of hours for him. When he finally showed up, I went to his office and talked it over with him. He said, “Well, leave it leave it up to me.” He said, “Don’t don’t open your mouth to the press.” Which I wasn’t about to anyway. And uh so he said, “Well, put some stuff on the floor. Let let them take a picture of it. But I was careful not to put anything that with detail on it. So they took pictures. Those pictures the one picture appeared in the paper the next day. You see, but then General Ramy and um and the colonel General Remy came out first. He said uh he told the news news reporter he said, “Well, then is nothing but a crashed weather balloon.” So they had to they had to tape that and they all cleared. Well, I do know this that uh later on Ram wanted to cover his statement up cuz he didn’t know himself what it was. So then I uh I went home back to Roswell, resume my duties. Mhm. Well, what they did at Cwell, they uh I think they made a mock display of it, which they used a a battered weather balloon. They let the press take pictures of that. But you see, the whole thing was a cover up to begin with. So, it was a deliberate cover up just to get the press off their back. Definitely. And that’s what I that’s what I assume. I presume that. But, uh I can’t see another reason. That’s the last I heard of it. I went back and and resumed my duties as intelligence officer with the base. Uhhuh. And because I was a busy boy out there, I had a big office to run. I had I had point types. I had five officers and three counter intelligence agents working for me cuz I had security for the whole thing. You see, I was running the whole thing. Yeah. And uh so then all that’s all I heard of course I started getting telephone calls from all over the world which I I refused I couldn’t I couldn’t give them any information you see. So I had to just call it and that was the end of of her. So you’re pretty convinced that what you saw was not the remains of a weather balloon. Oh definitely. I could swear on the big Bible it is. But uh I know it was not a weather balloon. It wasn’t a missile. It wasn’t any part of an aircraft. The act the kind of aircraft we do. Mhm. So that’s how it all started. Well, 32 years went by. I never heard any more about it. Then Staten Friedman, uh, who’s a nuclear physicist, which incidentally he and I have a lot in common because we both studied nuclear physics under the same instructor. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cuz Stan’s an old friend of mine. Is that right? Yeah, sure. I’ve known Stan for many years now. Is that right? Sure. Yeah. In fact, I Well, anyway, to make a long story short, uh Stan Freeman spent a whole day over here when they they they brought this Oh, it’s uh this filming outfit. They came out here and filmed me over here. They had me before that their camera was about six hours. H that was for the the film they called UFOs are real, right? And uh then uh I never heard anything about him anymore. So excuse me. Uh let’s see. Yes. Uh there was all those small members and uh it was some kind of hieroglyphics which I I could not uh decipher and nobody else could all that way into for the to analysis laboratory. I picked up as much as that as I could and I said I did. But what it was, I don’t know. It was not wood. It looked like balsa wood, however, but it was it wasn’t wood. It was flexible, but you couldn’t break it and you couldn’t burn it. And it had this uh writing on it. That’s right. So, what that was, I don’t I don’t know. I still don’t know. You see, there’s so many things I don’t know about the whole thing. All I was is I was the instrument that picked up the fragments on the ground. Did you I was going to ask you, did you find any uh any like instrument panels at all? No. No, I didn’t. But I wanted to reiterate on this piece of metal that I found was which was about the thickness of a a pack of cigarettes. But the amazing part about it, you could put it on the ground and tap it with a 16 pounds hammer. You couldn’t even make a dent in it. See, that’s the one thing that astounded me. I knew it was nothing from here. So, that was I had to let it go. Of course, I sent that in. And whatever happened, I don’t know. You know, when you say you were convinced that it was not from here, what exactly do you mean? I I was convinced that it was not from anywhere on Earth. I’m still convinced of that. Now, now there obviously there are certain people or fragments of a meteor. Well, that it couldn’t be because a media would be uh all solids. Uh no, I’m convinced that there is something besides something up there. Now, what it is, I don’t know. I I assume you did not ever see the actual disc that also came down. No. Can you tell me what you what you first heard about that? Uh I tell you there’s a man in in in Roswell. He’s a very reliable man. He was a writer. Not a writer. I mean scientist. Uhhuh. And uh that one one evening late evening he was standing on this person. By the way, his name is Wilmont. Okay. Unfortunately, the man is no longer living. Yes. When I talked to his son, his son related the whole thing that his daddy told him. Now this this Mr. Walmart. Uh that evening was standing on his porch and he saw this object to the northwest from Roswell and it was lighting lighted and it wavered and I think Mr. Wilmont told me his son told me that he saw his daddy told me he saw it explode. Well, that’s seriously because it was not the man who saw it. There’s a son who told me and uh so incidentally the this uh filming outfit that filmed us also to film him and his son Mr. Paul Wilmont and we went to his house and uh that’s all I know about it. Huh. I don’t know whether that included in the film that uh that they they put out on on In Search of or not. I don’t know. No, I don’t think they did. Well, they probably didn’t show it unless they may have uh they could have included it maybe in know about it. Yeah. When did you first start getting curious? Was it when you were there on the site? Yeah. One thing that I wanted to explore, I wanted to find out it was an object that had hit the ground and obviously it was not because there’s no scar on the ground at all anywhere. Something obviously exploded in the air and the flag was scattered all over the place. Okay. Is that any better? Yeah. Go ahead. Well, this is what happened. I I scred the ground. I looked all over the place to see any to see if I could see any scar on the ground if something had had fallen out of the sky and hit the ground. But that was not an evidence at all. It was obviously something that exploded while in flight and scattered all the fragments on the ground as it as it traveled. Okay? And uh from the direction of uh that everything was pointing it was uh it was from the northeast to the southwest. Now I didn’t I didn’t cover the entire area because it quite an area to cover. We were busy picking up fragments. So that’s how it all happened from when we got the the the carry all loaded up. I sent the CIC agent back to the base with it and I stayed there and picked up and filled my car with it and later on took off and it was about 8:00 at night when I got home with it. I understand you even tried to burn some of the pieces. Oh yes. I tried burn any any and all parts of it. Even something that looked like uh oh something like uh some material flexible material is porous but it did not burn. H now I guess at the time then later on after this all happened you then later heard that a disc had come down. Well yeah that’s seriously I don’t I don’t know anything about that. Did you ever try and verify that uh through official channels afterwards? No, I didn’t. Was that because you just felt at the time that it was better not to ask questions? That’s right. And for one thing, it was best not to ask question for about anything and at that time I couldn’t afford to answer any questions because uh the whole thing as far as I knew was classified. After all, I’m an intelligence officer. And when an intelligence officer doesn’t open his mouth unless he has something to say that is not classified that uh that something can misconrue, somebody can misconrue what he’s meaning. You see, so I control with my commanding officer, Col Blanchard, and uh it’s just it’s best just to keep it under and I kept it under. You kept it pretty much to yourself for under 32 years. Was that a 32 years of frustration? No, I really didn’t worry about it. I read all I could about uh UFOs and flying sauces and whatever you have. Mhm. I was interested in all of it, but I didn’t I never would say anything about it. Well, it’s 10 ft, but is the one who brought it up to the surface. Yeah. Now, you you yourself just mentioned UFOs and flying sauces. Uh, what do you think the object was that exploded and disintegrated? I just don’t know. I wouldn’t know what it looked like. Yeah, there was enough of it there to to even use your wildest imagination to to imagine what it was. But are you convinced that it was an aircraft of some sort? It is something it was something from that uh that traveled through the air. It was not certainly not a ground vehicle and uh but it was it was there. Was it something that uh could have been a weapon that we had at the time? No. For one one basic reason is that uh any weapons we had had no kind not that kind of material in it. Any of the weapons we had. It was not a it was not a missile by any means. It was not an aircraft. H what kind of guard was placed under this once you got it to Roswell and you were on your way to Cwell Air Force Base. the provo marshall uh I alerted the provo marshall to the hippot guards over uh at night until we get back to open the office next morning and uh that day is when Colonel Blancher told me to go ahead and get one aircraft and fry fry it over there and that’s once I came back to the base that’s all I heard that’s all I heard about it. Nobody ever gave you any follow-up reports or information? No. No. You see, intelligence doesn’t work that way. When you’re an intelligence officer, you pass information up, but no information is ever passed back down to you. Interesting. You’re you’re all just you’re just a a car and a big wheel. Was was there a a point at which you you realized that there was something very important here? Yeah. But I still wouldn’t talk about it as any time before. Hm. At what point did you realize that there was extreme secrecy surrounding this? Well, within within two or three weeks, I knew that there was something being covered up and it was it was secret. I was very glad that I I kept my mouth shut about what I knew. Ah, yes. And I can tell my commanding officer says, “You did a swell job with it.” Isn’t it interesting? Uh, do you recall the original press release that came out uh from Lieutenant Hut? Uh I saw a copy of it. In fact, a copy was printed in my own hometown paper over here and uh but I didn’t I didn’t uh my my own relatives over here was right. I have very few didn’t keep a copy of it. They read about it. Yeah. And uh I uh let’s see. I think the only I don’t recall which paper that I saw my that picture appeared on the front page of almost every paper throughout the world and that made me feel funny. I I don’t doubt that. So I I don’t I don’t I don’t want to be that popular. What was the uh the general feeling among you and your and let’s say your colleagues at the time? Did you ever privately talk about it? No, really. We never discussed it. We made it a point never to because anytime you discuss something before other people or even among small group uh it it will get out and that’s why your intelligence blood is goes to bowling. I see. And so you felt that this was important enough to really keep it to yourself. That’s right. Did you ever tell your wife at the time? Yes. My wife knew well small parts of it but very little. Yeah. I never discussed my business with my wife. Interesting. My duties. So you really still aren’t totally sure what it was? No. Uh you’ve had 32 years to conjecture, right? Um would you care to conjecture at this time? I don’t I could. Uh I have well there’s something maybe I could say that I wouldn’t dare say and uh I couldn’t make that public is just well it is a conjecture all right but uh I still wouldn’t express it. Okay. Um in other words the reason why it is covered up all the while that’s that would be strict a conjecture but I wouldn’t want to be cold about it. Okay. Hey, I tell you what, rather than make a conjecture about why it was covered up, can you conjecture what this thing was that caused such a stir and such secrecy at the time? No, I can’t say that. Okay. I’m also curious about why after 32 years uh did you decide to talk about this? Well, I tell you how how I decided when Stan Freeman contacted me. Uhhuh. And u hold on. Sure. A little feedback in the radio over here. Oh, okay. Okay. Let’s see. Where were we? I asked you why you finally decided to talk. Well, Stanton Freeman called me. I think how it all happened. Stan Freeman came to the LSU giving lectures on nuclear physics and also flying sauces. Well, there’s a young fellow in in uh in Baton Rouge who had read the paper. He knew about me when all this happened years ago. And he told Dan, he said, “The guy you ought to talk to is Jesse Barcelona.” He says, “Uh, he’s the one who publicized on this uh on finding a a flying saucer.” So that that opened Freeman’s eyes and uh the following day that Freeman was in New Orleans and he called me and I discussed a thing with him, whatever I whatever I could say. And that’s why Freriedman got very interested. So Freriedman and uh Delmore and Bur got together and that’s how they got the information they they they printed about the book about. They called me several times on the telephone. Uhhuh. I gave him whatever information I could. I mean the information I knew with no conjecture of course. I mean the actual facts because that’s something I would not say anything that’s not true. When I when I say something, I I mean it. And uh just like I’m the things I told you tonight. Yeah. Uh there’s no conjecture about that. And uh that’s the way I am. I’m built that way. That’s why I was a good intelligence officer. Ah yes. But you were facts only. But I guess for so many years you weren’t even really comfortable about talking about these facts, right? I wasn’t. But uh I checked and uh there’s nothing wrong with that. I was given the go ahead cuz uh I don’t know anything that is really class that is still classified. You see? Mhm. As far as I know that nothing about this whole thing is classified except that I know it is covered up. I feel that way. That’s all one contesture I might make. though I I feel there’s a reason to have covered the whole thing up for so many years. H going back to the original weather balloon story, right? Um why why do you think they did that? Well, that’s why I couldn’t say. I don’t know why. I I I kind of get the feeling that that maybe uh as like Stan had said to me earlier today that that maybe when the material was brought in and after the initial analysis it it proved to be such so significant that perhaps the people needed more time before they wanted to make a statement. It’s possible. Um I’m very Well, they’ve had 33 years to make the statement. They haven’t made it so far. Isn’t that interesting? And now command has gone down through several hands. That’s right. Um, do you think that that whatever happened is significant enough to warrant any kind of a congressional investigation? Oh, I wouldn’t think so. It should just be left alone. No, I think I think it should be left alone because I think the people who has charge of that uh has have a reason to be to to have been that way. I think they have a reason. See, people don’t do things without reason normally. [Music] Does that do you mean that uh then if more information is not released then you would consider that as an appropriate act? Uh I don’t think so. No. because uh while commands have changed, some of those are still there that might be the controlling factor of the whole thing. You see, I see. So you I I wouldn’t want anybody’s doors to be stepped on. H was there anything about the uh the experience of finding the debris, anything at all that that really stands out about all of it in your mind? Well, I think the one thing that stands for foremost is the fact that uh with all this debris scattered over such a wide area, nothing actually hit the ground. No uh no solid material hit the ground. I mean, no uh one no one object hit the ground. Mhm. It disintegrated in the air before before the particles came down. Oh, I I forgot to ask you uh how wide an area was it? Oh, it was about 200 feet wide. I guess probably 3/4 of a mile long. Uhhuh. And uh the one thing that I guess about this weather balloon, there’s no weather balloon that the Air Force or or or even the civilian uh observers had that would cover that that great an area and particularly using the kind of material that nobody could identify. I couldn’t identify it and I know all the materials that was used in in weather observation uh in those days. Now if if they got something else now that I don’t know yet I had kept up with anything like that since I got out of service. Also you probably knew uh the basic materials that went into regular aircraft. Right. Definitely. It is not like that at all. Hm. How many people do you figure were involved with the uh with the picking up of the pieces and the sending it on to Coswell and then the change from Coswell to Wright Patterson? Well, I don’t think there were all maybe five or six. They’re very close to my command. I see. Last all that information was not disseminated over the base. A lot of people on the base never knew anything about it. Really? That’s right. So, it’s no wonder that the public was kept in the dark as well. That’s right. I spoke with I didn’t I didn’t know there all the personnel on the plane. Yeah. He he told me that that he was astounded at how it had no weight. That’s right. I was astounded that myself cuz I was picking it up. He never saw the hieroglyphics because the pieces by the time they got to the plane apparently were wrapped. Yeah. And so he never really saw this writing material. That’s why I wanted to get more on that from you. Well, no. I think that was all enclosed when Carwell. Yes. Um, was there a lot of the writing, sir? What? Pardon? The the hieroglyphics itself. Was there a lot of it? Well, every member had had some of it on. Every every small member had had hier hieroglyphics on it. Every piece. every piece that I’ve examined. Now, I didn’t examine every one of them very closely, but every one that I saw had those hier hierics on that nobody could decipher. No. And the the standing part, they were pinkish or or lavender and pink, very light colors. You mean the the metal itself? No, no. The hieroglyphics the writing oh is on the metal I see whatever if it was metal which I don’t know yet it was material it looked very much like balls of wood but uh as light or light as balls of wood and as thin as cigarette foil. that that no noted on the other remember they were about 3/8 inch by 1/2 square rectangular bearing in length length from about 6 in about 4 ft long some of the pieces of metal uh some of the pieces of of members that was found that had the hieroglyphics on oh I see another one oh I I just realized that I was I was not understanding that that there are there is pieces of metal and then there’s another thing that you refer to as a member yeah Oh, I didn’t understand the difference. Well, this what appeared like metal. What I told you was about to fix to a tinfo. I mean a four in a cigarette paper. That was uh I mean you couldn’t even feel you had it in your hands. It was so light. But yet you couldn’t dent on it. You could you couldn’t make a dent on it. So see something else that was outstanding in my mind. I still wonder just what was it? I’ve never seen I’ve never seen metal like that before. Oh, I haven’t seen since. And nobody ever told you? Nobody told me anything about it. Maybe it’s possible that they never found out. Maybe. So I I’m I’m almost convinced of that because you you think could have determined if it could be determined what that was, but it never was real revealed or at least never to you and to the people you were involved with. That’s right. That’s what I want. That’s what I meant before when I asked you if if that’s frustrating because you you must I’m sure you realize that someone somewhere knows more of the information, right? And does it does it frustrate you that you may never find out? Not necessarily. Really? I mean, don’t worry about it because it’s something that I’m trying to forget about. Really? That’s right. It was an experience of Oh, it’s the kind of experience I hope I never go through again. Is that because of all the uh the notoriety that you received? Yeah. H which I I didn’t relish that whatever. Yeah, I see. Very interesting. It’s an interesting story. I understand that your son was involved and in fact I’ll be talking to him tomorrow. Yeah. Well, he was he saw some of the he saw some of the material. In fact, what I did when I got home from out in the field, I stopped at the house and I told my wife and my son that I found stuff or a branch. I said, “I have some some stuff in the car.” So, I brought a few pieces of that, not very much, and showed it to him. And my son was 11 years old then. Of course, it everything made a very dullable impression on his mind. And uh we discussed it. I said I said, “Well, son,” I said, “I I can’t tell you what it is.” He says, “Well, I’ve never seen anything like it before myself.” So, of course, being 11 years old, he didn’t have much opportunity to see very much, but still, my wife uh said she had never seen anything before. So, anyway, we we looked at it. I put it back in the car and I went on to the base with it. So, that’s how it was. That’s as much as as my son and my wife know about it. But my wife knew my my son knew about the trip. I told I give I I told him in detail what what had happened and uh so of course he didn’t brag about it. He didn’t tell anybody about that cuz I told him not to. Yeah. And the same way with my wife. When you think back now on the last 32 years and you reflect on this, um, are there any statements? Is there a statement that you’d like to make about how you feel about the whole thing now? About the even the fact that that you that you felt that it was covered up for a while? Well, the only thing I can say I’m uh I’m not uh I’m not proud of it, but I’m glad I’m the one who had something to do with it to begin with. Why? because uh I wouldn’t know as much as I do now and uh about this whole thing. Of course, I don’t know. I don’t know very much, but I still wouldn’t even know that. I’m gratified to know that I’m I’m the one who who uh started the whole thing. I mean, as far as picking up the stuff. Uh yes. Are you glad that Stan Freiedman uh got in touch with you? Pardon? Are you glad that Stan Freiedman finally caught up with you? Yes, I did. Uh because I got to know Pen Freeman very very well. In fact, that’s how I found out that he and I had studied nuclear physics with the same instructor. Yeah. Only I was way years ahead of him. What do you think about the world of uh or the study of UFOs in in the 80s now? I think it’s very interesting. Uh there’s not too much bread as of now. Once in a while I read an article about it and I study it and of course you have to you have to sift through that kind of information and uh you make your own mind as to whether it’s right or whether it’s true or not. Mhm. So I I keep up with it. What’s what’s printed that’s about all I do. Did you were you were you interested in it back in 1947? Yes. Certainly was. In fact, there’s only one thing that I can I can see in man called flight. I have noticed things in the air. Of course, UFOs never brought never was uh brought to my mind, but I saw objects in the air that I didn’t know what it was. Well, you have to you have to realize this. Basically, anytime there’s something in the air that you don’t know what it is, it’s it’s a UFO, unidentified flying object, right? See, that that’s what those words stand for. Yeah. Well, I’ve seen some some some objects in there that I didn’t know what it was, but I didn’t pay attention to them. Now, one night I one little incident that I’ve never revealed to anyone, which is not worth anything. Well, it may be u one night since I had charged on the air base, the pro marshal which who was who was working under me, see called me at my house. He told me to hurry up and go to the base immediately. So I got in my car and I flowboarded this thing four miles away to the base. And while going out there as fast as my car could run, I saw some lights in the sky, but it was defined formation. It is perfect V formation. And uh it was visible for about maybe two two or three seconds. Mhm. from overhead to be on the horizon. So, I never questioned what that was. It’s just maybe a shooting star or something like that, but I’ve never seen meteor meteorites in formation. And um in fact, when I got to the base, I told Masley, who was the pro Marshall, I’d seen that. He says, “Yeah, some of the boys over here saw that, too.” And u and the rate is covering. Oh, it is covering thousands and thousands of miles per hour. I knew we had no aircraft capable of making that speed. So, we let the whole thing go. But they were they were lights. Now, what it was, I still don’t know. How many lights were there? There was a formation of five in a Vshape. In a Vshape. And uh I I saw it just just so so momentarily I I just I could just see I could see the numbers. That’s all. What was the time frame in perspective to the Roswell incident? Oh, that was about uh perhaps a month or so before before Roswell. Yeah. Isn’t that interesting? Yeah. Had you heard of other UFO sightings in that area of New Mexico? No, I didn’t keep up with that. Yeah. Those are not my duties. No, I had my hands full out there. I ran a big office. Yeah. And a lot of people, a lot of responsibility. One last question, Mr. Marcel. Um, some of the other people that that were involved uh either out there in the field or at Carwell or at Roswell, do you think that they should not feel um that they shouldn’t talk about this? Should it be eased up a little bit at this time? Because we are in a new decade now. Yeah, I know. Well, that I wouldn’t I couldn’t answer that because I wouldn’t know. Yeah. How do you feel about it yourself now? Are you are you going to keep talking about it or are you just going to try and forget it or All I can talk about is what I’ve already revealed. Yeah, that’s all I know. But you don’t mind talking about this? Not at all. Not Not anymore. It’s publicized now. Did you have to ask someone’s permission uh in order to talk about it? No, I use common sense on that. I used basic training. Yeah. The country. Yes. I would do nothing to uh damage it. Well, I believe that. I believe that politicians might do that, but not me. Yeah. And in fact, at the time, uh I’ll bet you didn’t even think that it was uh even like a Russian aircraft or someone else. Not at all. Not at all. It was just too puzzling. That’s right. Really like to thank you for taking the time to talk to me about this. You know, there’s one man that I wish was still living. Who is that? Brazil. The man that crashed. Oh, yeah. But he’s he’s dead now. I’m the only one I’m still the only living member of the staff that the first atomic bomb group in in in New Mexico. Yeah. I’m the only one still living. Wow. Really? That’s amazing. Um I you know, I’m I wasn’t supposed to take more than about 15 or 20 minutes of your time. I just got carried away with myself. It’s all right. And I really enjoyed this. Well, I’ve enjoyed talking with you and that’s what I told you is just about all I can talk about because that’s all I know. Yeah. Well, I’m really glad that you um that you’re not afraid to talk about it. That’s the point. No, I’m not afraid to talk about it because I know I know I sincerely know that uh I’m not revealing any any secrets, any military secrets, but uh if I know what the material was or what what the object was and and talk about it, then I might be revealing secrets. But just telling what the material appeared to me, it’s the material, the description I told you is what it appeared to me. Is something I’ve never seen before and I haven’t seen since. And that is a conjecture that uh it was something from outer space. H interesting. It’s an interesting story. And do you know that um then Yeah. Well, there’s nothing wrong with that if they get by with it. Yeah. Very interesting stuff. Um I when are you going back to New Orleans for another test? In January, you say, right? January. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He’s well named. Well, I tell you, he’s a he looks from his ambitions. Okay. He’s picked out of a right, too. Oh, really? We’ve we’ve always felt the same way. In fact, he wanted to become when he went to college, he wanted to become a physicist. He wanted to follow his daddy’s footsteps. Oh, yeah. And uh but uh later on after he got in college, he started he started taking premed and uh then he decided to be a doctor. But he’s a good one to be. And then he got hooked. Huh. And then he got hooked into it. Yeah, that’s right. See, he’s an ear, nose, and throat specialist. He he went to school many, many years. Yeah. And right now he’s he’s a flight surgeon with the Montana Air National Guard. H He was here. He was here last month. Oh, just visiting the folks. Huh? No, he uh he he was sent by the Air National Guard to Fort Rock, Alabama. Oh, I see. He studied aeronautical medicine. Yeah. And I think he’s coming back down here in February to study for his flight training. Mhm. Interesting. And he’s an MD. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Interesting. Well, I’m looking forward to talking to him as well. Well, fine. Nothing wrong with getting father and son. He’ll be glad to talk to you for sure. Would you like me to send your regards? Good. It’s It’s a matter I I have to be careful. Yeah. I can’t overdo anything. Do you prefer Do you prefer to be called uh uh Jesse or Lieutenant Colonel or Oh, no. Just Jesse. Yeah. Okay. Well, I do appreciate Well, you see, I resigned my commission. Oh, you did? Oh, yeah. I’m John Q civilian now. Okay. I tell the reason why I got out of the military service. I fought hard to get out because I was I was in a position that was hard to to get rid of. You were in intelligence all the way to the end, I guess. Huh? Yeah, that’s right. Yeah. So, how did you fight it? Well, I finally after exploring every possible means, my mother was still living. She was almost 102 years old. Wow. And very selom I could see her. So, I I applied for a a hardship discharge. I see. how I was able and when I when I revealed that to my commanding general, General Nelson, see at that time I was with the special weapons development program and uh oh, he hated to see me leave, but he said, well, he said if that’s your desire, he said, I’m not going to prevent you. He says, you’d do me a favor if you’d stay with my commander. Uhhuh. He said, I had I had quite a lot of charge there. you know when you know when uh I don’t know what you recall when President Truman announced in public that uh the Russians that had stole an atomic device. Um I recall you know reading about it. Yes. Well I’m I’m the guy who wrote that report. You did? Huh? That was my part that was part of my duty. H no kidding. We work in cooperation with Naval Research Laboratory Washington. See I was stationed in Washington then. Yeah. And through air samples that’s how we found out. H what year was it then that you actually resigned to commission? 1950 1960 1955 I think 55 yes 65 65. Okay. So you’ve been John Q civilian for almost 15 years. Yeah, that’s right. Ah interesting. Did you go into business for yourself at the time? Uh yes I did. I went in the car business. Oh I see. And uh I stayed in that until well until I retired. But I before I retired, I bought some property. I developed it. I I opened up the subdivision. Yeah. I built the very first house on it. And uh I’ve got the rest of most of the rest of it sold now. Oh, that’s great. Still I still own property which I won’t sell because I don’t need to. Yeah. How old are you now, Jesse? 63. I mean 73. Oh boy. You almost forgot. Yeah. It’s so long ago. I was born 197. 197, right? Wow. That’s great. Incidentally, yeah. To give you something about aeronautics, I earned my wings in 1928. 1928, right? God, son of a gun. Oh, started flying an old Eagle Rock bane. The only instrument you have is your your seat. You flew by the seat of your pants. Hey, do you do you ever read Omni magazine? Very interesting, Jesse. I definitely want to. Uh Stan Freriedman was telling me this morning that he was he had wished that he had written the article and he’s he’s waiting as I am for the skeptics to respond to it to see if they try and uh come back at us in any way. Yeah. But I think you might find it interesting. Well, one thing I’m waiting for is Bill Moore told me he’s going to send me a couple of those books that they published. Berix and Moore. Oh, you haven’t even seen the book yet? No, I haven’t seen the book. Oh, I I have a copy of it like right in front of me. You have? Yes, I do. Oh, they’ve got the very first picture that was printed. Yeah. Paper. That was the one that was printed right here in Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I think there’s at least uh one other picture of you in here. Uh as well as the pictures of most of the other people, the principles that were involved like Remy and Blanchard and Lieutenant H. Hot. You’re all in here. Oh, is that right? Yeah. Well, I’m I’m eager to get a copy. Bill told me he was going to send me two. I told him I’d like to have a copy, so I’ll send you two of them. And he also was going to send one to to my son. Oh, good. So, it was it was forthcoming anyway. Yeah. Well, that’s great. I’m I’m I’ve decided I’m going to spend uh two full weeks on my reports on NBC devoted to the Roswell case, and I think it’s really important, and um and I really thank you for the time and giving me some all the information. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Applause] Heat. Heat. [Music]

In this lost and rarely heard interview conducted by reporter, Lee Speigel, Major Jesse Marcel Sr, the first military officer to arrive at the Roswell UFO crash site in 1947, shares his firsthand account of what he found. From mysterious metallic debris that “couldn’t be cut or burned” to government secrecy that would define decades of UFO research, Marcel’s words offer an unfiltered window into one of history’s most controversial events.

From revealing what he actually witnessed at the debris site to a shocking UFO encounter he had a month before the Roswell incident, this rare audio gives us a glimpse into what may have happened in 1947 just outside Roswell, New Mexico.

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